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on the paranormal UK radio

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hello everybody once again and this is

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another episode in the what seems like

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the neverending inside hole emits radio

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sure and today I'm very glad to say I'm

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joined by my co-host it was actually

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being a little bit unwell over the last

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few weeks and you've probably realized

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that if you're a regular listener

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because we've been playing one or two of

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the older episodes that we've put

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together

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now when I say older and these nobody

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older II then I think my co-host so

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there you go

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how you doing Phil are you keeping good

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evening Chris you know thank you very

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much better than I have been and I've

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made a special effort tonight to speak

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to an old friend of mine not spoken to

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inquire a long time and I can guarantee

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you the the listeners are going to learn

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something in this next couple of hours

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that's brilliant that's great to hear

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now this special guest I remember

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actually coming to a UFO conference on

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was it by D etre or matrix magazine

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where he actually spoke in the hotel

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near the m62 not far from where limits

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magazine he's doing its conference this

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year yeah you I for data magazine that

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used to be edited by Russell magazine

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and it was a little hotel that was just

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at the side of Pontefract rates goes

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just as you're little as you come off

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the motorway it's no longer there now we

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you know went into it went bossed I

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think and just fell it fell down in the

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end which is shanks it was a nice place

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yeah it is a shame would you like to do

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the introduction then Phil scene is he's

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an old friend of yours and you've known

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him well I think a couple years at least

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yeah well you know I mean I am delighted

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to speak to my old friend Brian Allen

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tonight

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it's difficult to enter due sympathies

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he's a man who has done so much and is a

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chap if you ever get chance to listen to

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me on a podcast on in person I want to

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advise you to go along and do so he may

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not always agree with Brian but I

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guarantee you'll learn something from

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him and that includes me as well so it

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was one of the reasons why you know

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Brian was

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was on our list of speakers at certain

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events and he and he certainly never let

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us down and so it's it's a welcome to my

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old friend Brian from Scotland good

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evening Brian well good evening Phil and

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thank you very much I have no onboard

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the absolute pleasure to be here you're

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very very welcome Brian you're very

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welcome indeed

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now I don't know that you as Phil as

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just said anywhere that you're a man of

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many parts really yeah I know you really

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as is the editor-in-chief of phenomenal

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magazine he's not correct

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yeah currently air phenomena magazine

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but prior to that that I was editing

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paranormal magazine I did that until it

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went defunct when they was just when the

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recession hit and point of fact that the

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guy who owned it a guy called B Franklin

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he just pulled it because it wasn't

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making a profit in the game and that was

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it so and at the time I had been getting

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bald later for him people that worried

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us a walk rate and stuff form at the

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time I Steve mirror foot in particular

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and Steve Ashley would delight to come

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on board as a sub editor or phenomena

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and then shortly after that he said

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we'll do one just edit the whole thing

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and I'll step back and the other stuff I

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said yeah so I've been editing it for

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the past 78 years something like that

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yeah yeah I mean we we interviewed we

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interviewed Steve a few weeks back I'm

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Ryan and he pretty much said that I said

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Brian were doing a better job than me so

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it says makes sense I say leave you to

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it Brian and I'll go along and do other

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things but he did sing your praises make

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it really did I didn't cost very much to

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get him to fear that so Brian we've

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we've all got something that brought us

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into this fascinating well that we call

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man was an experience back in 1974 and

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when I saw set of unusual lights moving

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across the nice guy what brought you

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into the subject well let me just put it

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this way I'm 75 years of age now okay

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now walk me brought got me into the

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subject to to play 72 years ago and that

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remember as if it was yesterday it's

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etched in my mind it's absolutely there

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when I saw something in my bedroom I

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woke up at B it was early morning the

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that just in fact I'll tell you how

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young I was I was telling a court there

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you go because I can see the bars of the

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car in front of me and just maybe about

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three or four feet from the court my

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father believed that I had a baby grand

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piano he was a musician all his life and

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he had a baby grand piano

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and up in the bedroom and between my cot

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and the baby grand piano there was a

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figure standing there were four foot

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high it was dressed all in green that

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had our the thing that was really

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strange about it was the the belt were a

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very elaborate built was a very strange

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it wasn't really a book of motion what

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it was it was a bill of some game with

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some sort of device at the waist and it

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was standing with its arms folded and it

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was watching me and I remember I wasn't

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frightened I remember I just wasn't

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afraid that I was to close my eyes

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dopinder my get was still there but it

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did was there any threat so I simply

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just went by to sleep again and when I

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woke up at going obviously but yeah I

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woke up and there was something watching

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me and you could have tell it that as I

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don't know it wasn't a ghost

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there was nothing ghostly this was solid

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absolutely solid green or dressed like a

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one-piece dream tunic or overall is

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there my one piece strain folded arms

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the strange belt buckle and was watching

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me but anyhow I went to sleep woke up at

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go on but ever since then I've had this

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interest and oddly enough a couple of

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nights later a couple of mornings later

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I didn't extremely the gym again I

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couldn't remember this like it was

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yesterday and again well you're going

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back with 72 years and I could remember

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this like it was yesterday again that

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had a dream of a UFO okay the

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traditional you know flying saucer this

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shape flying saucer and this is before

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you were getting all this stuff here in

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the press they said you long before this

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are at the breadth of pictures of them

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this disc-shaped UFO that was coming for

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me okay it was I knew we were coming it

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was going to take me take me on board

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and have says it's only it was since

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then that I tied the two things together

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and I just wonder if I was being

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contacted for some reason but yeah that

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is what got me involved in this and a

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deliciously it was just like it happened

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that's fascinating as soon as he said to

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me 414 hi you know it was I had this

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picture in my head of this typical gray

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it's a million no no was it something

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like that no no well it I couldn't see

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the face because it just thought with

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the blanket was it was but partly

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covered my's and I could I could scan up

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and then a casitas chin but it was it

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was flesh colored and it wasn't green

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color it was flesh color but I couldn't

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see the full face but I could see

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everything from the chin down and I say

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it didn't seem to be away it wasn't

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skinny little gray

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it wasn't like very thin the thin limbs

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it was it was in proportion it was slim

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and in proportion I would say but I

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don't think it was agree that again I

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couldn't see the face so I can't see

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100% certain but I don't think it was

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any of the books that you I think it's

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mentioned and what no don't ask me which

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one and I do mention this yeah that I

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specifically talk about this event which

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got me on boards but I've had the odd

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well odd things have happened since then

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some amazing synchronicities well I'll

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give you an example of the kind of thing

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it happens to in a fairly regular basis

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fight I was building a PowerPoint for a

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presentation it was giving and the radio

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was on in there in the room I walk I've

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got my little man cave in the back of

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the house here I've got all my more

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computers and stuff the forms and bits

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and bobs and I was just the cutter on

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the screen I was Aleister Crowley

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there's a late Victorian

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source of a magician I was incorporating

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him into the presentation and I've been

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looking up images of on the net to

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in the PowerPoint well as soon as I

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hover the cursor over his face from the

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radio bellows though Theo is putting

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certain mr. Crowley and I was wow I hope

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like that and the next thing the

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following day on the same presentation I

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was doing stuff in it was to do with

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this Bob with a bomber in point of fact

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picture of this world war two bomber and

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from the radio shows the bomber and it

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was lay me you know let me in Moorhead

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yeah and I went Wow and I just looked up

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for this sort of thing happens and you

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just say thanks that's thanks very much

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you know I know you're watching them and

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doing this stuff it's just it's a bit

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like the cause makes your customs of his

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eye on this sort of thing and I've just

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stopped questioning it now because I

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phoned if I'm looking for information

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before up ahead of something happen to a

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rating or I'm seeking something I'll

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guarantee you it will crop up I'll go on

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the radio I'll see something on the TV

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or I'll pick up some n box I don't be

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relating to what I'm looking to so it's

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almost as if the cosmic joke I mean it

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is he's trying to help me I guess

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there's a best way of putting it you

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know that's fascinating

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now there are some people who believe

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you know that our visitors travel to us

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through portals there are some people

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who still believe in the nuts and bolts

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theory of our visitors what's your

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personal view Brian well this is where

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possibly Phil and I might disagree a

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Phil and I are both on the same side of

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the fence here and I Phil's well it's

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just I have issues with fear these

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things that are gen8

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that is the only I have I think these

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things are traveling multi-dimensionally

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I don't think that traveling in any

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linear fashion for me to be feel that

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they're coming through we would call a

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portal a doorway a gateway an

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interdimensional gateway of some kind

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but it's odd you should say this

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Icarus because Steve myself and a guy

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called Barry Fitzgerald were both been

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working

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on aspects of this and one of the

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aspects we've been working on

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there's the curious link between areas

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of geomagnetism and and appearance of

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UFOs and a lot of paranormal safe events

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because appears that there are very very

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high percentage of these incidents take

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place where there are incidents of

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geomagnetism in the earth the skinwalker

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ranch education pointless lot back in

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the middle of an an area of geomagnetism

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now the other thing that I've come

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across and no later than just other week

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there's an area about 20 miles from

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where I live it's called Camp Apple Hill

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it's in the bath Gate Hills other

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hibbett 20-25 miles away and is actually

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a Neolithic burial site which is also

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right on the edge of an area of

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geomagnetism now the thing is there's

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been a thing seen up there repeatedly by

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different people over the years the most

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recent one that I came across was in

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2007 now the guy that I got this

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information I go through my

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granddaughter who's a chemist and hug

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boss she watched her firm called milk

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and her boss had had this experience in

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2007 when he was still a young rich guy

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and it was driving with three of his

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friends and in his car and they were

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driving close to world cleared in purple

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Hiller's in the Bathgate hills then all

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of a sudden the saw this thing out the

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side of the right let's thing emerge

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from the left I'm sailor wood and they

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said it was absolutely translucent it

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was humanoid it was moving very fast and

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it was translucent and I thought wow and

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they just they just got the hell out of

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there as quickly as they could and after

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the drove on a little bit they said did

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we actually see something there and

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they're talking yeah yeah well I think

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we didn't had to describe what that

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scene well the drove back and actually

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rounded a corner I want the stretch it

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would wither it seen this thing lo and

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behold in the middle of the road it was

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standing right in front of them in the

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middle of the road and as a car

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approached it the guy panicked Nev had

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rather is where they put his fruit to

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the boards and the car shot forward well

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as they got as they got within inches of

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our feet

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thing it shot up straight at me I wish

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just finally stop agenda survived

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vanished when shortened so anyway the

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weren't home spent the night talking

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about it and the guy went by himself on

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his own in his car about that when fell

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of a couple of weeks and everything went

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back on the stretcher Lord he saw this

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thing that was never in the road and it

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was never played close to him it was

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always entries at but he could always

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see this thing and eventually it just so

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got bored alone and just give up and and

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and I think he went back fairly recently

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didn't see again but this street this

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thing that they saw the humanoid a guy

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called Dave Coleman a guy that I've

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known for years again he saw this thing

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as well Barry he didn't caught see it

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was great translucent he said that he

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called it the silver man that he and his

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wife and two kids again were driving on

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exactly the same stretchy road when the

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look thoth out the car window the same

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thing on the side windows and there was

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something in the fields and it was

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running at the same pace as the cars

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which was doing at 50 miles an hour the

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less things running the same speed as

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the car and he accelerated and the thing

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run at the same speed as a car and it

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got so bit closer to them even that was

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still running alongside him in the

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fields and a look they couldn't see the

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face cuz I had no face it was great

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silver and everything that toddler

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wasn't I got this distinct impression of

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Menace and then it just disappeared and

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here's no recollection of getting home

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that night man were several his wife

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can't remember and the kids can't

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remember all in who was they saw this

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thing then they were home and they can't

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fill in the spaceship that the length of

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tamed with the half hour that would have

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taken them to drive from where the way

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to get to home again they had no idea

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that you know they just can't missing

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time for one of a better world but this

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area and I've done a bit of asking you

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know people who live up there and a film

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that this area is notorious for this or

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something being seen up there and I've

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mentioned this to body I've mentioned

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this to Steve and we're going to be

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looking at it because body and his way

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if we're going to be coming across next

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month from my oven from Sligo and

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they're going to stay with me for a

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couple of days and one of the things

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we're going to be doing is we're going

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to take a look up to Karen purple Hill

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and the surrounding area another thing

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you want

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to do is have a look at Rosslyn Chapel

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with me because one a mother but I think

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the only thing about my claim to fame if

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you like is that discovered what became

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known as the Rosalyn frequency because I

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think there's a portal and say Rosslyn

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Chapel and I'm not waiting up over this

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and be I'm almost certain as a portal in

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there and and hope because the whole

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Chapel reacts the specific frequency of

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sound and late subsonically and there's

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a particular area and the East End of

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the chapel is called the Lady Chapel and

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there are three small altars up there

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the one on the left hand side in the

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Lady Chapel is called this in Matthew

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altar because it as well as in Rosslyn

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Chapel it's also called the Collegiate

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Church of st. Matthew and it's a

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functioning Episcopalian Church I know

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that there's still of syllabuses and

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stuff it does function as a church but

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this left-hand altar listen Matt listen

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Matthew altar I am absolutely certain

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that there's a portal right in front of

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the altar I see this because back in

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well they say it wouldn't be 2005 that

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was that was the last tabletop guys look

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at it an investigation listen this would

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be a bit 2000 2001 when we really

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started to take an interest in the place

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this is when you could still get access

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to it because there's just one got

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people into if you like experiment in

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the rain was just the push to but the

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table in the other 2001 it maybe 1988 it

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doesn't really matter that it was a

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first team actually carried an

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investigation there I said it's

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mentioned in one of my books called

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Rosslyn between two worlds and I was

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standing this medium what were two sets

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of mediums of us me two sets and mediums

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for wife on my wife

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and what take number and individually

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the two sets of mediums know that the

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two sets of mediums had never been in

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Rosslyn Chapel before and they've never

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met before

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there was two husband-and-wife teams no

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but the both picked up individually that

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there was an area in front of this the

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said Matthew altar that was very very

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special or something very strange about

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it

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so one of the mediums I am Marie

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Lochhead as it happens that doesn't even

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know cherries you okay she got married

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and she said stand with her but start

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stand against the altar so stood with my

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back against the author knows it's not

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actually their only only I come Optima

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[\h__\h] just below much

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shoulder blades I guess that not make I

460
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authors wait that's quite small and I

461
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was standing with my back to this thing

462
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then all of a sudden I realized I was

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again pushed up from the floor mean and

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I'm seriously well actually coming up

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from the floor so Ann Marie said close

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your eyes close your eyes and she

467
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started doing stuff no my wife was

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filming all the shadowless on videotape

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and whatever she was doing

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I suddenly deals at Les impression to

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getting lifted from the floor was

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getting stronger and stronger and it was

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late there was the best the best way to

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describe this T is this that imagine

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you're standing and there's something

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pushing up from the heels right it's

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pushing up from the floor and that's

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what I felt like and I came off the

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floor and and sort of fell forward and

480
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and you're angry so she said whoa steady

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steady and I said yeah what was that all

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about well she said the portal was

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starting to open and you were getting

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lifted up with it

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now one of them saw this thing as a

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column of light coming from the floor

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like Silver Lake and not the other

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medium saw as a shimmering green Cup but

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the boss sensed there was something very

490
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special about that about the chapel now

491
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who went back there in 2005 I devised a

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specific frequency and we brought along

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I'd created the I downloaded a frequency

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generated from the internet and they

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created the it's called a nog mented

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force I think it CFCF shouting G and I

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think that Zach I've can't remember

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stuff ahead of me check it I'll tell you

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what it's F sharp C and E that's what it

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was and I created there's been the

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specific frequencies that they're

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correspond to these two these these

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notes and made it made the chord and

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when we started up that when we created

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it on on the laptop that were bought

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with us and Marie said ah she said the

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portal start to open so she went and

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stood with her back to the altar and I

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stood a full flip from an in front of

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her face again and inside this area it

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was almost like a box for one of a

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better one because it became very very

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cold and then say this particular area

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and when you put your hands up from your

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sides as almost as if you could feel

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that were passing through an interface

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of some kind in both sides it was

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slightly warmer

519
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you brought your fingers back in and

520
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became cold again and agai what was I

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said that same he came along if you like

522
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to help with us it was actually a sonic

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therapist and unbeknown to us he went

524
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down into the Crypt but you know below

525
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the chapel and he started turning so

526
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what you had was the sound coming from

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the laptop and the seven coming from

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from the the acoustics therapists know

529
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what was looking each other was alive

530
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that's clever

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well all of a sudden quite spontaneously

532
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I thought sound kicked off okay we said

533
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where the hell is that coming from then

534
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a few seconds later a four sound kicked

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off they were almost like harmonics been

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created by the two separate notes and

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the chapel was acting like a heterodyne

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device and it was actually creating

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frequencies on its own now the guy down

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the stairs didn't know about this they

541
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:12,540
just stopped turning and the two

542
00:22:15,860 --> 00:22:14,370
resonant frequencies of the two

543
00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:15,870
harmonics just stopped immediately

544
00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:18,150
and all over the left was then was the

545
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:20,220
laptop producing the original hmmm

546
00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:22,500
Augmented fourth so I said look ths

547
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:24,540
described that has you said well what's

548
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:27,960
all about so yeah and we couldn't learn

549
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:30,360
about it anything more because the

550
00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:32,370
people who run the chapel always get a

551
00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:35,190
bit edgy or whatever still let people do

552
00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:36,630
this they do I said they don't let them

553
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:38,670
do it no but they started getting a bit

554
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:40,290
edgy and and they're sort of talking

555
00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:42,570
doctor see what were doing because I

556
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,070
think they wanted to say this before

557
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:46,620
there's a peon bless some doctor will

558
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:48,450
would we'd been allowed in early and

559
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:51,210
we've given full access to the chapel

560
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:52,770
but there but they were getting a bit

561
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:54,780
edgy about all of us so they can do and

562
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:55,470
just shut it down

563
00:23:01,280 --> 00:22:58,380
so what to stop doing it there but yet

564
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:01,290
the sound seemed to the same that was

565
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:03,570
creating on the laptop was doing

566
00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:06,570
something to the chapel in a way it was

567
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:07,950
doing something to this area what would

568
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:09,690
think this portal actually is half

569
00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:12,780
bugged me and it was when the guide

570
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:14,790
there in the stairs but put really put

571
00:23:18,170 --> 00:23:16,170
the ten hat and it was when the guy went

572
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:18,180
down the stairs and started turning and

573
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:20,220
the chapel was creating two harmonics on

574
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,410
its own we decided that the chapel had

575
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,000
actually been designed to do this

576
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:27,000
what it means we don't know but and we

577
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:28,110
haven't been able to carry out any

578
00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:29,910
further investigation so there it was

579
00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:33,150
yeah yeah they of course that you know

580
00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:35,790
the Rosslyn Chapel it's got many

581
00:23:41,030 --> 00:23:39,060
different aspects associated with it as

582
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,040
it says it's got the Knights Templars

583
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:43,620
the Ark of the Kalends also underneath

584
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:46,410
II is done there's a massive underground

585
00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:49,740
vault there Wow and that was sealed I

586
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:51,990
believe did 16 Nancy and has never been

587
00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:52,650
opened

588
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:54,420
what do you think's in there then Brian

589
00:23:57,860 --> 00:23:56,700
do you think he's just a coffin in there

590
00:23:59,780 --> 00:23:57,870
or do you think there's something else

591
00:24:03,650 --> 00:23:59,790
in there that's been hidden away well

592
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,660
but I kick off this there may be a vault

593
00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:05,700
underneath it and and it's a very

594
00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:07,580
hypothetical vault in the world because

595
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:10,920
it is claimed that the chapel is as deep

596
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:14,220
as its high clear that way I know if

597
00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:16,590
there is a vault under there the

598
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:19,230
Foundation's the chapel are built on may

599
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:20,910
not be enough to support this there was

600
00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:23,010
a particular beetball underneath it okay

601
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,030
now there is also in Scotland behalf was

602
00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:29,360
called that the act of Sepulchre and

603
00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:31,830
this actually prevents people digging

604
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,540
and aggrieved just as he was there

605
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,340
because a lot of people would like to do

606
00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:38,280
that but it is claimed that the Barons

607
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:42,270
of Rosslyn a endless vault okay and

608
00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:44,610
they're not in coffins they're lying on

609
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:47,790
stone beers in the full armor and it's

610
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:49,260
claimed that as what was doing there but

611
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:50,970
I figured everything from the Artic of

612
00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:53,610
the Covenant the mummified had a Christ

613
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:55,230
the Holy Grail everything's supposed to

614
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,820
be down there the treasure of the

615
00:25:02,240 --> 00:24:58,260
Templars brought back from from

616
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:02,250
Jerusalem but nobody knows who she all

617
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:03,570
damned old on a mini right I thought

618
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:04,770
they were on Oak Island

619
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:08,940
I know what's in the vault Malcolm

620
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:17,940
Robinson's checkbook was that printed in

621
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,840
1690 then if they're Knights Templars

622
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:23,940
the Knights Templars absolutely did

623
00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:27,450
invent what we call banking and of

624
00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:30,870
course I mean I mean you're talking

625
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:33,990
about you know things happening by sort

626
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:36,840
of in a synchronistic way Ryan yeah I've

627
00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:37,830
got a pardon for

628
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:40,409
me and when we do this show I just write

629
00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:43,260
the guests name down and then a list of

630
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:45,659
questions the only question I got

631
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:47,880
written down for you was Rosslyn Chapel

632
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:55,110
yeah going back to the portal thing you

633
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:57,330
may remember our old friend Albert

634
00:26:00,919 --> 00:25:58,679
Bowden yeah

635
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:00,929
from some years ago absolutely what do

636
00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:03,690
you make to Albert's theory that we're

637
00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:05,429
not talking about portals or anything

638
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,620
like that that there are you know

639
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:11,940
locations like you've suggested that our

640
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:16,769
geomagnetic and also man-made things

641
00:26:22,639 --> 00:26:19,799
like telephone mass and so on yeah and

642
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:22,649
the actual experience is a caused by

643
00:26:29,659 --> 00:26:26,220
this geomagnetic but it's caused with by

644
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:29,669
people who are because hypersensitive in

645
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:31,289
other words they are allergic to this

646
00:26:38,419 --> 00:26:35,220
the field can of course they have a very

647
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:38,429
real experience but that experience are

648
00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:42,720
no external force whatsoever leech

649
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:45,870
happens internally so it's not a portal

650
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:48,510
to any other dimension or any other

651
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:51,000
universe it just happens there in that

652
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:53,730
location and that's why according to

653
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:57,419
Albert of course in certain areas around

654
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:58,260
the world

655
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,260
they're called portals today they used

656
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,840
to be called window areas 20-30 years

657
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,820
ago and then something else and they

658
00:27:12,139 --> 00:27:07,799
have a whole host if you dig deep enough

659
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,149
of paranormal phenomena happen there but

660
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:15,840
it is law it is it is location specific

661
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:19,470
and that is it oh yeah absolutely I mean

662
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,620
I knew I haven't communicated with

663
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:25,380
Oliver for a long many many many many

664
00:27:29,779 --> 00:27:27,870
years no but at one point more than

665
00:27:31,159 --> 00:27:29,789
regular you know regular communication

666
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:31,169
with one another and I was willing to

667
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,820
accept a lot well but it was true

668
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,279
because if he demonstrated it he's

669
00:27:40,129 --> 00:27:36,960
demonstrated for the fact that for

670
00:27:42,250 --> 00:27:40,139
example that that magnetic fields can

671
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:42,260
affect human perception which they do

672
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,659
but the thing is these were what I'm

673
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:46,320
talking about

674
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:50,010
again as areas of geomagnetism which I'm

675
00:27:54,139 --> 00:27:51,510
not talking just a little bit

676
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:54,149
I'm talking about acres Wade you know

677
00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:57,059
massive area to do magnetism and it's in

678
00:28:00,799 --> 00:27:59,130
these areas that that UFOs are seen and

679
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:00,809
it said these areas that paranormal

680
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,970
events occur for example what I said

681
00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:05,039
about this that this this silver - gray

682
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:07,590
- that there's these guys in the car saw

683
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,110
no the whole car full of guys saw them

684
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,000
it wasn't just one guy so it the whole

685
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,159
all four saw it and they saw exactly the

686
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:17,039
same thing at the same time so something

687
00:28:21,379 --> 00:28:19,110
was happening there and it's well worth

688
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:21,389
worth investigating to see what the

689
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,860
actual causal link is there's a glitch

690
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:28,320
in the perception that were actually

691
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:30,120
you're that Michael Persinger

692
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:32,190
that Professor Michael Persinger yeah

693
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,350
and and and his God helmet thing with it

694
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,179
he can produce various effects but maybe

695
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:38,399
were activating that the magnetic coils

696
00:28:44,539 --> 00:28:41,490
in the helmet well it's possible that

697
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:44,549
this is a subjective opinion I like a

698
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:46,769
subjective experience but when the

699
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:49,049
subject that experienced is it is it

700
00:28:53,659 --> 00:28:51,690
experienced by four five maybe six

701
00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:53,669
people at the same time all seeing the

702
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:56,190
same thing then it starts to move into

703
00:28:59,509 --> 00:28:57,809
different territory state where

704
00:29:02,480 --> 00:28:59,519
different arity there's another fact

705
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,490
that to look at in this that a lot of

706
00:29:06,889 --> 00:29:05,460
these stone circles as areas of special

707
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,899
it can like in france where there are

708
00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:08,700
thousands of these standing stones which

709
00:29:14,659 --> 00:29:11,159
brother norbert the many of these

710
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,669
standing stones have been been treated

711
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,500
heat treated for one of a better world

712
00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:18,960
to reach the Curie point of curie

713
00:29:23,419 --> 00:29:20,669
temperature I don't know if you're aware

714
00:29:26,629 --> 00:29:23,429
of this but what happens is if you he's

715
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,639
a stone I see a student block but this

716
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,100
is just for example you heat it you know

717
00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:30,480
the people together said the

718
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,830
temperatures required to do this the

719
00:29:35,779 --> 00:29:33,480
fires wouldn't it be pretty specialized

720
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,789
but a lot of fat you know bonding fat

721
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:37,679
different fibers and things to get the

722
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:40,529
temperature raised up because in the

723
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,450
natural state the stones might may

724
00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:44,340
contain umpteen little you know say

725
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:46,679
parts of the magnetite for example or

726
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:48,809
magnetic particles but they're all

727
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:51,960
random that the randomly polarized but

728
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:54,360
when what around sense that ancestor

729
00:30:00,320 --> 00:29:56,610
seem to realize that seem to know is

730
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,330
that when the stones were heated to the

731
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:02,820
Curie point the curie temperature the

732
00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:04,809
demagnetize and as

733
00:30:09,389 --> 00:30:07,240
lead them and also saxes I was the cool

734
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:09,399
down again 30 magnetized but the

735
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:11,350
polarized completely in a linear fashion

736
00:30:15,539 --> 00:30:13,690
so the whole thing became you know it

737
00:30:17,999 --> 00:30:15,549
was more a more powerful magnets always

738
00:30:19,619 --> 00:30:18,009
a rather you know little individual

739
00:30:21,629 --> 00:30:19,629
magnets all the magnetic magnetic

740
00:30:24,629 --> 00:30:21,639
particles became polarized in the same

741
00:30:26,489 --> 00:30:24,639
north/south axis and a lot of the stones

742
00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:26,499
or hundreds of hundreds and hundreds of

743
00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:27,940
stones at Carnac I've had this done to

744
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,220
them it's almost as if they were trying

745
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:32,080
to build up some sort of I don't know

746
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,570
battery of some kind quite like like a

747
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:37,200
natural source of G of magnetism

748
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:41,440
why did this it's not clear there maybe

749
00:30:45,779 --> 00:30:43,809
that the shaman's used that to try and

750
00:30:48,029 --> 00:30:45,789
communicate with in with other shavings

751
00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:48,039
elsewhere or they were able to contact

752
00:30:52,859 --> 00:30:51,309
other realities other dimensions and by

753
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:52,869
using this that the effect of the

754
00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:54,460
magnetism on the brain because what is

755
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,580
no one is that mobile phones at certain

756
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,159
areas of the Carnac stones just don't

757
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:02,320
work because they because all the

758
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:04,210
localized the area of D of magnetism and

759
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:08,350
the knew also that when sunlight comes

760
00:31:14,369 --> 00:31:10,090
up there affects how these things

761
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,379
function as well so I think places like

762
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:16,240
everybody you get this effective but is

763
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:18,369
there a better place of a stored engines

764
00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:19,360
another one where I think this can

765
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:21,340
happen as well that all these stones

766
00:31:26,989 --> 00:31:23,529
appear to have been I don't know treated

767
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:26,999
to create deliberate areas or

768
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,070
deliberately do magnetic objects we're

769
00:31:34,889 --> 00:31:32,700
they're trying to enhance or exploit

770
00:31:37,169 --> 00:31:34,899
their then healing properties of the

771
00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:37,179
stone but like I say as an area it will

772
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:39,100
just start to get a feet into know and

773
00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:40,990
find it more about but I mean I'd be

774
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,669
glad to keep you updated when we do find

775
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,039
a bit more about it that's fascinating

776
00:31:48,629 --> 00:31:46,480
man I mean you know you know I've

777
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:48,639
visited a few of these you know

778
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:52,960
stone circles myself yeah this a few

779
00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:54,820
years back I took my wife and my English

780
00:32:03,239 --> 00:31:57,100
daughter to still an engine and they

781
00:32:05,609 --> 00:32:03,249
were completely underwhelmed and then we

782
00:32:08,249 --> 00:32:05,619
went to a three a my daughter saying

783
00:32:11,879 --> 00:32:08,259
well another another another rocked out

784
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:11,889
I'm not still and I thought it was

785
00:32:17,999 --> 00:32:14,409
totally lost on them but you're right I

786
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:18,009
think certainly we the big area in and

787
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:18,500
around

788
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:22,610
Stonehenge discoveries archaeological

789
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:24,410
discoveries in recent years have shown

790
00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:27,470
that it wasn't just a stone circle stuck

791
00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:29,300
in the middle of nowhere I know there

792
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:31,580
was a whole population that survived in

793
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:34,070
and around the area oh yeah an honor

794
00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:36,170
they came from all over the place I mean

795
00:32:40,510 --> 00:32:38,390
yeah it always amazed me I'm how would

796
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,520
you know where to go well this is it

797
00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:42,080
this is exactly

798
00:32:48,550 --> 00:32:46,400
and I'd be interested to know these

799
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:48,560
things as you rightly say fill the web

800
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:49,940
they worked they were put there

801
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:50,630
deliberately

802
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:53,810
no if you go to Avebury I mean it I've

803
00:32:57,940 --> 00:32:55,580
been as you said been to both places and

804
00:32:59,770 --> 00:32:57,950
everybody's amazing because I think it's

805
00:33:01,300 --> 00:32:59,780
the biggest biggest circle biscayne in

806
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,310
the world if I remember rightly it's

807
00:33:04,510 --> 00:33:02,960
absolutely as you probably know that the

808
00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:04,520
village is partially inside it if you

809
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:06,500
want to be you know yeah it's just an

810
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:08,450
amazing it's an amazing place and of

811
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:10,370
course everybody and the surrounding

812
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:12,770
area you see a lot the crop circles but

813
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:14,600
would appear there as well if I remember

814
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:16,310
correctly and I don't think that was

815
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:18,140
accidental I that I think it is it's a

816
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:20,570
connection was connected to the

817
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:22,490
properties induced by the stones

818
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:25,310
themselves but you're getting into areas

819
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:28,940
know that previously would have been

820
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:32,390
called magic and this is another another

821
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:34,190
area that that I've been looking at if

822
00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:36,530
you like it on my own and I've touched

823
00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:38,060
on a couple couple of our books to touch

824
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:40,580
on it there's no when you see a magic

825
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,220
Brian so yeah yeah do you mean magic

826
00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:44,960
with a care my dear with a care

827
00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:47,780
yeah as in cruelest failing of magic

828
00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:48,830
magicc

829
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:50,540
magic yeah I'm not talking about

830
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,490
conjuring I'm not talking about illusion

831
00:33:58,150 --> 00:33:53,600
I'm talking about something very real

832
00:33:59,680 --> 00:33:58,160
here and I think again this is pure of

833
00:34:01,270 --> 00:33:59,690
what I'm telling you no as pure that is

834
00:34:03,670 --> 00:34:01,280
pure speculation and I can't back this

835
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:03,680
up other than what a phone connection

836
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:07,389
cell phone as it would appear to me that

837
00:34:11,619 --> 00:34:10,010
there is a phenomenon that you've

838
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:11,629
probably heard of called quantum

839
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:15,409
entanglement yeah and I'm pretty sure

840
00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:19,550
that somehow some people can do this by

841
00:34:25,389 --> 00:34:23,720
an act of will and that somehow right

842
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:25,399
just just for those that don't know I

843
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:27,530
explain what quantum entanglement is

844
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:29,810
please okay I'll kill I kill fear fear

845
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:31,370
plane if everything

846
00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:32,540
I'll give you I'll give you an example

847
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:34,940
of it and a quantum entanglement you may

848
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:36,530
have had and your listeners may have

849
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:38,950
heard of the twin slit experiment okay

850
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:41,750
that is where the issue a photon you

851
00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:44,060
know through a slit and it hits two

852
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:47,150
slits on the other side now I can't

853
00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:48,410
remember what the actual is to do with

854
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:50,060
interference patterns but but that isn't

855
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:53,330
the point what the photon does when it's

856
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:55,790
observed is different from what it does

857
00:35:01,810 --> 00:34:58,750
when it's not observed so somehow that

858
00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:01,820
photon knows it's being observed okay

859
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:03,560
and it reacts in a different way and

860
00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:06,170
that I know that all the physicists the

861
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:07,880
physicists hate this they absolutely

862
00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:09,740
hate it because the new harms and they

863
00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:12,380
don't know why in fact I saw a YouTube

864
00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:14,600
video of a guy called Jim al-khalili and

865
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,060
he actually it was like for doing a

866
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,560
demonstration of the twin slaves where

867
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:20,720
I'm ensuring that this effect actually

868
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:23,840
took place and he actually said on the

869
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:26,210
YouTube video if anyone has a logical

870
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,820
explanation for why the sounds please

871
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:30,320
let us know because because there's a

872
00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:32,030
nobel prize waiting free if you can do

873
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:33,980
it because even the physicists don't

874
00:35:40,810 --> 00:35:36,590
know why subatomic particles at effect

875
00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:40,820
they'd been been washed right now this

876
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:43,460
is where i think that somehow at the

877
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:46,610
subatomic level particles can be

878
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,010
affected some people have better rather

879
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:50,960
than others and i think that the more

880
00:35:55,210 --> 00:35:53,030
people that concentrate on something on

881
00:35:58,540 --> 00:35:55,220
a particular function can actually make

882
00:36:00,880 --> 00:35:58,550
it tick make it make it how she author

883
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:00,890
or make it happen more readily shall we

884
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,420
say because the more people are

885
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:04,730
concentrating on this the more observed

886
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:07,130
these things are so the more these part

887
00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:09,290
these changes can take place now I think

888
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:11,990
ours are cruelly he actually described

889
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:14,440
his version of magic is the act I'm

890
00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:17,330
paraphrasing here we more or less said

891
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:19,820
there's the act of making reality bend

892
00:36:26,290 --> 00:36:22,670
to your will okay you're willing change

893
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:26,300
take place and it takes place now again

894
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:28,010
I can't back any of this up

895
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,010
this is purely my own ideas but I'm

896
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:33,440
pretty sure that this effect has brought

897
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:35,930
to brought about by quantum entanglement

898
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:37,370
and other words consciousness as

899
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:39,080
entangling with it with the particles

900
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:41,810
and surfactant what they do and how you

901
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,670
jack this up from the quantum level to

902
00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:45,119
the Newtonian level if you wish

903
00:36:50,329 --> 00:36:47,519
if you will I haven't a clue I don't

904
00:36:52,759 --> 00:36:50,339
know but I think I'm pretty sure this is

905
00:36:54,739 --> 00:36:52,769
so magic actually worked and the only

906
00:36:56,809 --> 00:36:54,749
reason that magic stopped working is

907
00:36:59,539 --> 00:36:56,819
because we stopped believing they would

908
00:37:01,579 --> 00:36:59,549
and belief is it a lot to do with it as

909
00:37:04,249 --> 00:37:01,589
well and it causes a lot of this stuff

910
00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:04,259
to flow more easily if you will but

911
00:37:09,529 --> 00:37:07,469
anyway it's a subject that even I am not

912
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:09,539
100% sure about talking about here I

913
00:37:13,009 --> 00:37:11,039
mean I could only go with what I found

914
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,019
and the similarities that I've seen but

915
00:37:16,999 --> 00:37:15,599
yeah I think magic just like arthur c

916
00:37:18,399 --> 00:37:17,009
clarke said there any sufficiently

917
00:37:20,269 --> 00:37:18,409
advanced technology is indistinguishable

918
00:37:23,149 --> 00:37:20,279
indistinguishable from magic

919
00:37:25,429 --> 00:37:23,159
so perhaps magic as it was practiced by

920
00:37:27,739 --> 00:37:25,439
our ancestors was a form of technology

921
00:37:29,439 --> 00:37:27,749
we'll just forgotten who he use well I

922
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:29,449
I've often wondered if it wasn't

923
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:36,089
technology Ryan but rather it was I

924
00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:38,369
won't say it powers but it was abilities

925
00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:40,109
that we as human beings actually

926
00:37:49,279 --> 00:37:45,059
possessed because we were less in

927
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,289
inverted commas civilized for example I

928
00:37:54,409 --> 00:37:51,839
remember watching a some wildlife

929
00:37:57,769 --> 00:37:54,419
wildlife program and a some guy the

930
00:38:00,709 --> 00:37:57,779
Amazon somewhere with the tribesmen they

931
00:38:03,319 --> 00:38:00,719
still live you know a tribal life and

932
00:38:05,179 --> 00:38:03,329
and off they went hunting one day at

933
00:38:07,939 --> 00:38:05,189
random through with a policy I mean they

934
00:38:11,419 --> 00:38:07,949
went for miles Brian with their their

935
00:38:13,909 --> 00:38:11,429
bows and arrows and I think they shot a

936
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:13,919
monkey or two yeah and then they turn

937
00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:16,880
around and just walk back home

938
00:38:21,979 --> 00:38:19,829
you know you're driving down the a1 sure

939
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,989
yeah I know remember an experiment I

940
00:38:25,999 --> 00:38:23,880
believe again was too many years back

941
00:38:27,919 --> 00:38:26,009
but I think it was at Manchester

942
00:38:30,169 --> 00:38:27,929
University where they got a group of

943
00:38:33,319 --> 00:38:30,179
students and they blindfolded them and

944
00:38:35,059 --> 00:38:33,329
put here earmuffs on them and drove them

945
00:38:36,319 --> 00:38:35,069
around randomly so all they wouldn't

946
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,329
know where they were and then got them

947
00:38:41,479 --> 00:38:38,640
out of the car and they said now we want

948
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:41,489
you to point to where the direction you

949
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:44,699
believe your home is so they did and it

950
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:46,890
was an astonishing amount more than they

951
00:38:51,469 --> 00:38:49,859
expected actually got it right yeah more

952
00:38:55,489 --> 00:38:51,479
than you would have expected just by

953
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:55,499
guessing so it was almost if it's at

954
00:39:00,990 --> 00:38:58,450
some point we had an ability to be a

955
00:39:03,150 --> 00:39:01,000
to do these things but of course as

956
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:03,160
mankind has progressed

957
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,710
you know we've I mean it's like that

958
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,780
again the Amazons used to say that the

959
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:09,520
edge of the Amazon rainforest was the

960
00:39:14,910 --> 00:39:12,280
end of civilization sure you know we

961
00:39:17,609 --> 00:39:14,920
class those ourselves as civilized you

962
00:39:20,309 --> 00:39:17,619
know and could it be rather than

963
00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:20,319
technology could it be abilities that we

964
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:23,740
has a species had but I've since you

965
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,500
know lost through lack of use or as you

966
00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:29,200
say lack of belief I think it's a bit

967
00:39:37,859 --> 00:39:33,390
forceful like a noose like a belief our

968
00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:37,869
new isms have become science science ism

969
00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:40,660
the if it can't be proved scientifically

970
00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:42,460
it doesn't happen but we know that that

971
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,720
Jacqueline answers because stuff

972
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:45,520
continues to happen there isn't

973
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:47,490
scientific in any way shape or form and

974
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:50,049
and in spite of the best efforts of the

975
00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:52,569
scientists we were able to do this stuff

976
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:56,230
you know for example talk ghosts it's

977
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,609
not probably that's not something I'm

978
00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:00,400
too keen about but ghosts for one of a

979
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:01,990
better one but I'll use the term because

980
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:03,640
people understand what I'm talking about

981
00:40:09,299 --> 00:40:06,250
that ghosts continue to manifest and

982
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:09,309
appear in spite of the best efforts of

983
00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:11,380
your James Randy's and so forth and

984
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:13,420
psycho of all the rest of it see there's

985
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:15,849
a lot of old nonsense but they're still

986
00:40:21,569 --> 00:40:18,880
continued to appear why what is a ghost

987
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:21,579
in fact I'll tell you what you as you

988
00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:25,030
know Brad Steiger II he think he died

989
00:40:30,299 --> 00:40:26,980
like it was it last year he died right I

990
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:30,309
think he did yeah that's because a

991
00:40:35,339 --> 00:40:33,250
little piece in the magazine ago but

992
00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:35,349
they asked me that would have contribute

993
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:37,000
to the last book that he and Cherie is

994
00:40:44,339 --> 00:40:40,569
way fraught and my contribution was what

995
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:44,349
as a ghost and a little piece on that

996
00:40:47,549 --> 00:40:46,150
and there were still the other you know

997
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:47,559
people that they knew that they asked to

998
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:49,270
contribute a little bit to the book and

999
00:40:53,309 --> 00:40:51,400
what I went away she I perform and I

1000
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,319
tried to be the best mobility that to

1001
00:40:57,690 --> 00:40:56,079
see what a ghost was that was a remnant

1002
00:41:00,510 --> 00:40:57,700
a consciousness it was it was a

1003
00:41:02,819 --> 00:41:00,520
consciousness that if you like been you

1004
00:41:05,819 --> 00:41:02,829
know how can I put this

1005
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:05,829
it was if consciousness doesn't die with

1006
00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:08,980
what was the person and it's a bit like

1007
00:41:12,030 --> 00:41:10,869
energy can you know you can't create or

1008
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:12,040
destroy and as you can only

1009
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:15,130
inform the perhaps consciousness is a

1010
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:17,800
form of energy and when the person dies

1011
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:20,950
that you know their consciousness is

1012
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:24,010
some and some sense carries on I've

1013
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,660
heard the student ape theory which makes

1014
00:41:30,210 --> 00:41:28,480
a lot of sense as well and that place

1015
00:41:32,310 --> 00:41:30,220
has become haunted because if you like

1016
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:32,320
the energy of the person is all or the

1017
00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:34,570
event where's that move is a traumatic

1018
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:37,300
event is actually recorded and the

1019
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:39,670
stones of a building and although the

1020
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:41,170
Goldmember the earthly and under your

1021
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:42,820
feet and under suitable circumstances

1022
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:45,460
people are sensitive can actually deeply

1023
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:46,990
a built like act like a tape recorder

1024
00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:49,870
soft socks but as to what a ghost

1025
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:51,580
actually you know you'll get ten people

1026
00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:53,110
with ten different ideas and I probably

1027
00:41:59,520 --> 00:41:56,500
all rate but yeah it's a completely

1028
00:42:01,770 --> 00:41:59,530
fascinating from a prospect but I used

1029
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:01,780
to the ghost busting I used to do that

1030
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:03,550
on a fairly regular basis I'm done it

1031
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:04,900
for years now just stop doing it because

1032
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:07,600
that comes to a point where you see

1033
00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:11,080
stuff and you see the same thing

1034
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:13,420
happening time and time again and if

1035
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:15,970
it's not you become blasé but you have

1036
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:17,980
to accept F of what it is you don't know

1037
00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:19,510
what it is all you can do if it happens

1038
00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:21,940
now I'll give you an example of this and

1039
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,000
that's just an example it appears in one

1040
00:42:28,290 --> 00:42:26,560
of my books called revenants haunted

1041
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,300
places hunted people and it's the event

1042
00:42:33,180 --> 00:42:30,640
that took me right off the shelf as far

1043
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:33,190
as ghosts were concerned and it was a

1044
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:35,770
hotel called the Highland to tell in a

1045
00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:37,870
little village instead link all done

1046
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:40,660
they're still lame I had quite an old

1047
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:45,880
place it dates back to the 1700s and the

1048
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:47,380
woman in the place was having issues

1049
00:42:52,830 --> 00:42:51,130
shall we say in the building and it was

1050
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,840
friends with house I knew I didn't said

1051
00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:54,160
would you go in a world with us said

1052
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:54,820
yeah why not

1053
00:43:00,510 --> 00:42:57,730
so I went across an interview der and

1054
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:00,520
during the course with us the sense of

1055
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:03,160
you because we went back to actually

1056
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:05,160
Korea if you like the claims and a

1057
00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:07,090
two-tier mediums listen about the book

1058
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:09,940
we'll get to that that they she said

1059
00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:11,980
well she told me we're happy that haired

1060
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:13,360
voice is talking when they were nobody

1061
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,610
in the pub the place was empty things

1062
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:17,440
that began moved around all sorts a

1063
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:20,020
really strange stuff and the first thing

1064
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:21,400
that I said wolves are something going

1065
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:24,490
on here with there's a shot whether our

1066
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:25,930
own quarters you know that

1067
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:27,490
the hard-living quarter so we should

1068
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:30,190
hope this their apartment hotel there

1069
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:31,630
was a short flight of stairs went up to

1070
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,990
the attics now I was standing on the if

1071
00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:36,160
you lay on the corridor

1072
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:37,420
she was going up the stairs since she

1073
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,670
turned and looked to me and it wasn't

1074
00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:42,640
her face changed she became someone else

1075
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:44,080
almost of something that something had

1076
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:44,890
taken it over

1077
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,950
and Lynette what is that when I

1078
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:50,800
described the face that I saw our

1079
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,420
daughter told me that that's what the

1080
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:54,640
the previous occupant of the hotel the

1081
00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:56,260
previous owner had looked like a mrs.

1082
00:44:00,750 --> 00:43:57,400
can't remember of name doesn't really

1083
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:00,760
matter but as soon as I hear that this

1084
00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:03,010
all the woman was I had taken possession

1085
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:05,020
over she wasn't the woman wasn't a weird

1086
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:07,780
about my ID I can't tell you Murray

1087
00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:09,310
three-second eyes my gran brought me in

1088
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:12,340
there but she wasn't aware that I'd seen

1089
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:13,750
this then she wasn't aware of it that

1090
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:15,430
had been taken over but it wasn't her on

1091
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:17,430
the staircase she she has changed anyway

1092
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:19,840
later on that same night but would enter

1093
00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:23,440
office my brother was there our sister

1094
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,420
was there and one other employees was

1095
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:27,040
there she was sitting about six seven

1096
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:29,050
feet from me another side of the fire it

1097
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:30,400
was a winter's day it was called the

1098
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:32,530
fire was on central heating was on and

1099
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:34,630
she's just talking to me and she still

1100
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:36,370
knows stuff that was happening and it

1101
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:38,020
was quick it was quite relaxed never we

1102
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:39,370
were just nod not heard listening and

1103
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:39,760
stuff

1104
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:41,770
now I'm looking at her then all of a

1105
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:44,860
sudden the room went cold I don't mean

1106
00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:46,150
he just got cool that it went called

1107
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:48,750
bank just temperature went right down

1108
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:51,880
the sound quality changed to almost an

1109
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:55,240
echo a sort of sound and over her left

1110
00:44:59,940 --> 00:44:57,700
shoulder in the corner by the window I

1111
00:45:02,700 --> 00:44:59,950
could see a figure starting to form the

1112
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:02,710
six foot high humanoid shape getting

1113
00:45:08,850 --> 00:45:05,110
darker and darker and more dense as I

1114
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:08,860
watched and I thought I didn't see

1115
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:10,540
anything but I thought I'm not ready for

1116
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:12,850
this go just go it shouldn't be here no

1117
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:17,260
go and as soon as I thought that the

1118
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:18,160
figure vanished

1119
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:20,380
the temperature came back up and the

1120
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:22,690
sound returned to normal and woman of

1121
00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:25,000
course an occluded wide void that wide

1122
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:28,780
sense so after she'd finished speaking I

1123
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:30,430
said well that's fine and I said that

1124
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:32,230
anyone notice anything the last couple

1125
00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:34,450
of minutes and the guy said and be

1126
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:36,220
saying yeah she would absolutely but her

1127
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,790
cold

1128
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:39,040
I said did you notice anything about

1129
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:39,490
this so

1130
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:40,930
no I said no nothing like that and I

1131
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:42,250
look to people know him hadn't there was

1132
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:44,170
anything at all but the guy said me

1133
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,310
saved me it was the sudden drop in

1134
00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:47,920
temperature I didn't see what happened

1135
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:50,470
didn't worry them well I thought there's

1136
00:45:55,950 --> 00:45:51,880
something very strange going war and

1137
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:55,960
endless and this hotel so I swear I used

1138
00:45:59,940 --> 00:45:57,910
to come back which we did and I went

1139
00:46:04,080 --> 00:45:59,950
back with with the two mediums it was

1140
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:04,090
Anne Marie and and her husband Jim now

1141
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:05,950
it was on the staircase was where they

1142
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:09,250
located the maximum if you like presence

1143
00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:12,910
though they said and I have no emotion

1144
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:14,860
for this but however what happened a bit

1145
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:19,510
later mate she said some child some

1146
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:22,060
young woman she said pregnant fell down

1147
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:24,670
the staircase and died she said she lost

1148
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,140
her life she fell down the staircase and

1149
00:46:32,609 --> 00:46:28,960
I'm kick ago killed and she was pregnant

1150
00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:32,619
I know she was gone by I guess a bit

1151
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:36,369
maybe a bit 150 150 years as you

1152
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:38,020
probably know then you just didn't get

1153
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,610
pregnant it's a wedlock it was

1154
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,200
absolutely nothing I just didn't happen

1155
00:46:46,830 --> 00:46:43,500
and she was out yeah but her father

1156
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,840
wanted I think it of the kid and she

1157
00:46:51,859 --> 00:46:48,640
hated him was a passion she hated her

1158
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:51,869
father with an absolute passion so I

1159
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:54,130
looked because she died in a staircase

1160
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:56,740
she's still hard but this hatred and she

1161
00:47:01,470 --> 00:46:59,410
was still on the staircase now the odd

1162
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,480
thing that happened on the staircase as

1163
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:03,520
far as I was concerned was I was

1164
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:04,540
standing in the middle of the staircase

1165
00:47:08,099 --> 00:47:06,250
with anne-marie and her husband Jim was

1166
00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:08,109
standing with stop of the staircase and

1167
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:09,940
all of a sudden a wooden started to blow

1168
00:47:14,849 --> 00:47:11,650
dough in the staircase and I don't just

1169
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:14,859
mean a gentle Zephyr this was a wooden

1170
00:47:20,010 --> 00:47:18,070
that blew down a staircase in fact every

1171
00:47:22,109 --> 00:47:20,020
single exposed piece of skin and my face

1172
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:22,119
in the back of my hands and stuff it's

1173
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:23,470
thousands of tiny needles were likely

1174
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:25,630
trickling away at me and I went what the

1175
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:28,030
hell is what's good on me yeah that says

1176
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,740
the woman that's the girl says she's

1177
00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:31,119
trying to push us off the staircase she

1178
00:47:34,859 --> 00:47:33,580
wants rid of us so she said what I'm

1179
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:34,869
going to do is I'm going to try and

1180
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:36,670
reunite her with what's the day it was

1181
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:40,510
to baby you know so she went down the

1182
00:47:43,710 --> 00:47:42,220
staircase I'm standing in the middle of

1183
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,720
the staircase Gemma standing the slope

1184
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:45,040
of the staircase and I'm standing there

1185
00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:48,940
and she's she didn't what happened then

1186
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:51,100
was the temps just started to go up and

1187
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:53,410
down the one stopped the temperature

1188
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,450
that dig up and down and I could smell

1189
00:47:59,310 --> 00:47:57,760
things I could smell it it was a smoke

1190
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,320
the smell of whole animals that holds

1191
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:00,880
the horses for whatever better what I

1192
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:04,110
guess and I could smell all the way he

1193
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:08,740
like the smell of fresh hay as it turns

1194
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,270
at the place used to be a farm I won't

1195
00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:11,920
say that that's that again I was thirty

1196
00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:16,150
but all of a sudden it was like the

1197
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:19,900
sense of like a sense of tension and

1198
00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:21,310
pressure was building up and building I

1199
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:22,660
could feel this tension around the boat

1200
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,060
you could almost cut it with a knife

1201
00:48:29,070 --> 00:48:27,760
then all of a sudden they just went he

1202
00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:29,080
just dropped away it vanished they

1203
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:30,460
stopped the temperature thumped a norm

1204
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:32,530
whatever was faint and before Dan Murray

1205
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:35,260
told me this I said that's it she's gone

1206
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:37,510
and she said I've really reunited with

1207
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:40,930
the dead baby and that's it she's gone

1208
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:43,900
she's gone I felt her go and that to me

1209
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:46,060
right off the [\h__\h] off of the fence as

1210
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:48,730
far as shall we say presences are

1211
00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:51,490
consumed I know it was you know it was a

1212
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:53,320
blast though it was astounding and I've

1213
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:54,790
never experienced anything all out in

1214
00:48:59,250 --> 00:48:57,370
the life and in fact on that staircase a

1215
00:49:00,810 --> 00:48:59,260
little bit before we did this I've been

1216
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:00,820
filming in the whole thing filming the

1217
00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:03,550
thing on video and I saw a dark sheep

1218
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:05,590
moved down the staircase stopped at the

1219
00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:08,080
bottom and then just vanished and at all

1220
00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:09,550
Don Murray and Jimmy Willis and he said

1221
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:11,620
well we didn't see anything but she did

1222
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:13,210
it was possible that that was meant for

1223
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:15,430
you to see and only is bullet for you to

1224
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:17,530
see and that's why you picked up on the

1225
00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:20,020
videotape although when I do that my

1226
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:21,460
Twitter there was nothing to be seen on

1227
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:22,390
the videotape

1228
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:25,180
but yet the hotel took me right off the

1229
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:27,610
fence and made and I believer at me

1230
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:29,260
because I'd always been a bit you know

1231
00:49:32,940 --> 00:49:30,910
half half that about it so I'm

1232
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:32,950
absolutely convinced that when we die

1233
00:49:38,490 --> 00:49:36,010
that part of us can be contacted our

1234
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:38,500
consciousness continues I'm just gonna

1235
00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:39,700
say that Brian I mean in what you

1236
00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:41,830
describe in there doesn't seem to be any

1237
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:43,120
interaction with somebody's

1238
00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:46,570
consciousness no no in the world can

1239
00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:47,740
physical in tonight with you as well

1240
00:49:53,340 --> 00:49:49,540
obviously it can well from what I've

1241
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:53,350
just said that but so if I could I'm

1242
00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:55,180
still that question every readers do

1243
00:50:02,160 --> 00:49:59,580
them to you I've been to you and you I

1244
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:02,170
find it all fascinating Brian I'm not

1245
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,030
I'm not a skeptic I just find it

1246
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:06,660
fascinating I'm not convinced of

1247
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:08,490
spirit world and life after death and

1248
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:10,710
things like that but but unlike yourself

1249
00:50:17,540 --> 00:50:14,280
I don't doubt that there is a phenomenon

1250
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,550
there what it is what causes it what

1251
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:19,980
lies behind it how its created I haven't

1252
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:23,610
got a clue but it still fascinates me

1253
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:25,530
because it goes back to when I first

1254
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:29,130
became interested which before the UFO

1255
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:31,530
subject I used to go to the spiritualist

1256
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:34,650
Church with with my my best friend's

1257
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:36,330
grandmother he was to live obviously to

1258
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:38,970
us and I found it fascinating but I

1259
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,310
listened to some of the messages he was

1260
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,020
giving to people and I thought why it's

1261
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:45,660
a bit like your horoscope reading it in

1262
00:50:49,940 --> 00:50:47,250
the newspaper that could have appealed

1263
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:49,950
to you know a whole host of people but

1264
00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:51,480
nonetheless I didn't think they were

1265
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:54,360
lying or creating things or making

1266
00:51:01,400 --> 00:50:59,330
things up and I still find it all

1267
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:01,410
fascinating idea I did say right at the

1268
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:02,850
beginning you may not agree with Brian

1269
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:04,350
this evening but he's certainly going to

1270
00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:05,810
learn something

1271
00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:12,840
well the say regarding spiritualist

1272
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:16,620
churches no I can't I can all the

1273
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:18,030
countless to you because I didn't

1274
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,070
experience this person that's what was a

1275
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:23,220
guy was interview it was at like the

1276
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:24,750
other day whenever doing this stuff no

1277
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,750
he wasn't a spiritual has been quite a

1278
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:30,180
big way it was also in a ufology in a

1279
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:32,790
big way and it went along to the

1280
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,870
spiritualist Church and it was certain

1281
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,700
there because he wasn't sure who

1282
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:41,040
followed in quite a big way and the

1283
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:45,330
medium that was on the stage Pech

1284
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:48,230
dementia I've got a message for you and

1285
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:51,090
she did Anna Strom and she described the

1286
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,610
guy and it was it was this was after

1287
00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:55,740
Allen dr. Allen Hynek yeah as you

1288
00:52:02,120 --> 00:51:57,390
probably know you've probably heard the

1289
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,130
Hynek that she was describing Hynek was

1290
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:05,040
was there with her and a and he was the

1291
00:52:09,350 --> 00:52:06,330
message that was coming from this

1292
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:09,360
high-neck was that he was keep looking

1293
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:10,710
at wait it was something he was

1294
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,090
investigating the theme he said you're

1295
00:52:16,310 --> 00:52:13,440
absolutely right because that's what was

1296
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:16,320
happening and the medium also then

1297
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:18,140
Turner said there's something with them

1298
00:52:25,690 --> 00:52:19,980
it's much smaller

1299
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:28,970
Michale time self good cold I'm killed

1300
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:32,490
and that were again when the medium

1301
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:34,140
didn't know from Adam there was the

1302
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,190
first thing divided we in the church

1303
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:37,200
she singled them out she seemed to be

1304
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:38,820
getting a message from that from the

1305
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:40,710
then deceased recently deceased Allen

1306
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,130
Hynek and a great deal in with them so

1307
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,440
what you make of that of no idea and I

1308
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,420
can only take it though face value what

1309
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:51,200
the guy is telling me but this is why I

1310
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,119
tend to think that there is no

1311
00:52:59,420 --> 00:52:56,160
difference between paranormal phenomena

1312
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:59,430
and aspects of life illogical phenomena

1313
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,470
I think that the probably connected at

1314
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:03,720
some level but I know you maybe disagree

1315
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,950
without Phil and I respect you for

1316
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:06,900
although I don't necessarily Brian I

1317
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:08,550
mean I've had the discussion with a

1318
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,490
number of people yeah and there are

1319
00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:13,920
those I think we may have mentioned it

1320
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:16,470
in discussions on honor here that the

1321
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:19,830
Lakewood Hopkins yeah you know I was on

1322
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:23,630
friendly terms but it's lovely fellow

1323
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:27,359
but he felt that you know ufology was in

1324
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:29,550
wooden pigeonhole and the paranormal was

1325
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:31,890
in another bit you know I remember

1326
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,090
discussing it with him I said what

1327
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:35,280
perhaps they know I perhaps their

1328
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:37,430
different sides of the same coin

1329
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:40,410
any college stewpot thinking I think he

1330
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:41,850
even wrote an article in the MUFON

1331
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:46,410
journal called it stupid thinking you

1332
00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:47,970
know and I could understand what it was

1333
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:49,619
coming from but I didn't necessarily

1334
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,490
agree with him and that's why I think

1335
00:53:57,859 --> 00:53:56,400
sometimes when you we tried in in the

1336
00:53:59,660 --> 00:53:57,869
days when I used to be a conference

1337
00:54:03,230 --> 00:53:59,670
organized and one of the only ones we

1338
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,240
did we had aspects of Earth mysteries

1339
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,880
and the paranormal and the UFO subject

1340
00:54:11,330 --> 00:54:08,640
all mixed into one and it went down like

1341
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:11,340
a lead balloon because you know the

1342
00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:12,690
argument was well what are they've got

1343
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:14,790
to do with each other yeah yeah so

1344
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:18,300
people just didn't come and you lost

1345
00:54:27,590 --> 00:54:24,359
money idea even what can I just

1346
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:27,600
interject at this point because a phone

1347
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:31,470
that when I give presentations the the

1348
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:33,450
one that was down

1349
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:36,330
well the one that was doing the best can

1350
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:37,170
I have a whole bunch of those

1351
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:38,130
presentations

1352
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:40,590
that's one called truth lies in ufology

1353
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:43,290
how the intelligence service has created

1354
00:54:49,220 --> 00:54:46,470
the modern UFO myth and because it's

1355
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:49,230
controversial I have to supply proof and

1356
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,320
I do okay I prove I'm actually saying

1357
00:54:56,570 --> 00:54:55,260
and fight the last time I gave this just

1358
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,580
for this particular conference a couple

1359
00:55:00,740 --> 00:54:58,800
of presentations a couple of years ago a

1360
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,750
big a big conference it was organized

1361
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:03,180
and sterling and one of the guys in the

1362
00:55:06,110 --> 00:55:04,890
audience Nick Pope was actual in the

1363
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:06,120
audience but that's another story

1364
00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:07,980
he was actually listen to what they say

1365
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:09,390
and it was seem to be right and

1366
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:11,610
furiously a madness as an aside because

1367
00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:13,890
some of the stuff that I was seeing in

1368
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:16,860
this conference the next time I saw Nick

1369
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:18,600
Pope on TV he was saying exactly the

1370
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:21,900
same things for him and believing her

1371
00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:24,510
that okay but another guy that was in

1372
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:27,120
the audience with I always Davey runs

1373
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:30,810
runs the Birmingham UFO group Dave yeah

1374
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:33,150
yeah Dave ordered device that came up to

1375
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:34,440
me said you know Brian he said they may

1376
00:55:38,570 --> 00:55:36,270
not agree with that I says but he says

1377
00:55:40,310 --> 00:55:38,580
baby was a extremely plausible okay

1378
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,320
it's one of those plausible arguments of

1379
00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:42,180
us kind of help and I'm coming from

1380
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:45,030
David and did was present praise indeed

1381
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:47,970
and basically what it was it was an

1382
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:49,500
aspect and that's good nothing do with a

1383
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:51,330
paranormal but there's directly do with

1384
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:53,820
ecology and her it's been exploited and

1385
00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:56,130
it was to do with a Kenneth Arnold Satan

1386
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,340
in 1947 when it is you know there's a

1387
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:01,200
flying saucers the weren't flying

1388
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:03,450
saucers for a kickoff what the world

1389
00:56:06,860 --> 00:56:04,950
will roughly boomerang shaped craft

1390
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,870
because any and anything that on the net

1391
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,180
you see you'll see the care of that is

1392
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:10,740
point until I got like a flip chart and

1393
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:12,510
now these roughly boomerang shaped

1394
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:15,630
things that's what I saw so I started

1395
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:19,110
digging into this and I came across

1396
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:21,570
something called the hotend to two main

1397
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:23,850
which is design that came out in Nazi

1398
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:25,380
Germany designed by the hotend role of

1399
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:29,580
the flying wing now during Operation

1400
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:32,490
Paperclip the whole aircraft the whole

1401
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:33,840
heart and to to the name was actually

1402
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,970
boxed up created up and sent over to the

1403
00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:37,680
USA and given that given at the North of

1404
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,670
cooperation who actually rebuilt it

1405
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:42,660
actually built one of these things and

1406
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:46,410
it's actually exactly like what Kenneth

1407
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:47,330
Arnold saw

1408
00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:49,160
though the only thing that's a bit

1409
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:50,630
different about it is if you look at

1410
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:52,580
Kent like the drawings of Kenneth

1411
00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:54,170
Arnold's you read forwards

1412
00:56:59,350 --> 00:56:56,420
there's like a circular section in the

1413
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,360
top that is the only difference now I

1414
00:57:03,490 --> 00:57:01,760
was able to sure there are a lot of the

1415
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:03,500
things that came out in Nazi Germany it

1416
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:05,420
was a design I can't remember the guy

1417
00:57:09,340 --> 00:57:07,100
who designed this thing there was

1418
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:09,350
there's a nivaaranji a ramjet aircraft

1419
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:11,390
that could do with 1200 1400 miles an

1420
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:14,150
hour Nastya and theory a theory at least

1421
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:17,420
and it too had this curious circular

1422
00:57:22,420 --> 00:57:20,720
part or on the top of the fuselage which

1423
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:22,430
is actually the combustion chamber for

1424
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:25,820
the ramjet now what Arnold seemed to

1425
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:27,770
have seen what was a blend of the two

1426
00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:30,110
well that the ramjet had been put into

1427
00:57:34,270 --> 00:57:32,660
this there's roughly there's flying wing

1428
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:34,280
was the reverse was flying I'm not gonna

1429
00:57:38,290 --> 00:57:36,310
talk boomerangs were flying wings and

1430
00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:38,300
that would have allowed it to do the

1431
00:57:40,990 --> 00:57:39,620
speed he could see them doing with

1432
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:41,000
twelve to fourteen hundred miles on

1433
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:43,370
earth in theory but the thing that comes

1434
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:45,050
after that is well what harm to them

1435
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,290
would of the go well the thing is a lot

1436
00:57:53,230 --> 00:57:51,440
of experimental aircraft just don't get

1437
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:53,240
past the design stage for all sorts the

1438
00:57:57,220 --> 00:57:55,130
reason maybe it's not fuel-efficient a

1439
00:57:59,080 --> 00:57:57,230
bit can't carry a leak so I don't know

1440
00:58:00,280 --> 00:57:59,090
but it's just not it's just not suitable

1441
00:58:03,310 --> 00:58:00,290
for the job they're trying to get it to

1442
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:03,320
do so I'm intend that what Kenneth

1443
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:05,180
Arnold saw was not access to the rest of

1444
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:06,170
what was actually built with the

1445
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:09,050
Northrop corporation and from there he

1446
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:12,350
said move on to again to Project

1447
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:14,090
Paperclip and a lot of the stuff that

1448
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:17,090
was brought from Nazi Germany and landed

1449
00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:18,830
and landed in America and give another

1450
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:22,070
American corporations for example it's

1451
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:23,660
claimed that a lot of stuff was back

1452
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:25,640
engineered for whatever came down and

1453
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:27,880
Roswell yeah and talking about

1454
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:29,810
transistors are talking about lasers

1455
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:31,250
talk about microwaves

1456
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:33,230
maybe or fiber optics and all the rest

1457
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:35,690
of it but the thing is that this

1458
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,390
technology was in a very primitive stage

1459
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:40,400
of development in Nazi Germany by

1460
00:58:43,450 --> 00:58:41,290
Telefunken

1461
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:43,460
Zeeland Siemens with Siemens was one

1462
00:58:47,770 --> 00:58:44,420
group that was doing it

1463
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:47,780
Telefunken was another when the had that

1464
00:58:52,330 --> 00:58:50,450
quite pure that the quite pure silicon

1465
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:52,340
discs that had been developed in Nazi

1466
00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:56,390
Germany that tiny little white I suppose

1467
00:58:59,650 --> 00:58:57,710
they'd be the predecessors of the

1468
00:59:01,570 --> 00:58:59,660
transistor how many mics of what they're

1469
00:59:03,550 --> 00:59:01,580
called now but but

1470
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:03,560
we hide them as well but the size here

1471
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:05,870
of an eggcup well the night he said them

1472
00:59:09,460 --> 00:59:07,450
double the size of the tip your finger

1473
00:59:11,230 --> 00:59:09,470
Kleist work with a Chrysler and tubes

1474
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:11,240
closely I think was placed on tubes that

1475
00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:13,250
were cold and the Nazis actually had

1476
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:15,260
this stuff then they were working on

1477
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,450
what seems to have been fiber optics

1478
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:19,040
they were working on microwave

1479
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,510
transmissions well that was B through

1480
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:22,640
radar obviously that's where that would

1481
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:24,980
come from but the thing is a lot of

1482
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:27,770
stuff that chemo and was attributed to

1483
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,430
to back engineer you know et technology

1484
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:33,200
with nothing of the kind it was actually

1485
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:35,240
brought from Nazi Germany and given to

1486
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:36,710
the Americans under Project Paperclip

1487
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:39,650
know if you think about it what better

1488
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:42,290
way does guys a walk then see we have

1489
00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:44,210
anything there have been it benefiting

1490
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:47,150
handsomely and billions and billions of

1491
00:59:51,220 --> 00:59:49,190
dollars worth of stuff from imported

1492
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:51,230
Nazi technology them to blame on UFOs

1493
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:53,690
and extraterrestrials because it's a

1494
00:59:58,450 --> 00:59:56,180
perfect guys for it so I'm pretty sure

1495
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:58,460
that the stuff that has attributed the

1496
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:00,440
back engineered alien technology was in

1497
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,990
fact came from Nazi Germany and the

1498
01:00:08,050 --> 01:00:04,880
presentation I actually proved this and

1499
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:08,060
actually sure that the actual the

1500
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:10,010
photographs of all the stuff as it was

1501
01:00:14,890 --> 01:00:11,750
taken back from Nazi Germany what became

1502
01:00:16,540 --> 01:00:14,900
of it so this is why I think the

1503
01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:16,550
intelligence well I'm not doubting for

1504
01:00:19,390 --> 01:00:17,960
one minute that we had were visited by

1505
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:19,400
things that don't belong in this reality

1506
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:21,800
in other words call a Metis if you like

1507
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:24,950
but I'm pretty sure that were been fed a

1508
01:00:29,290 --> 01:00:26,090
lot of codswallop

1509
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:29,300
as far as far as a lot of et contact but

1510
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:34,160
again a very I said emotive subject but

1511
01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:35,750
at least Dave

1512
01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:37,640
Hajin was able to accept that where I

1513
01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:39,260
was coming from and he said it was a

1514
01:00:42,310 --> 01:00:41,030
very current very plausibly arcade

1515
01:00:46,030 --> 01:00:42,320
argument not they agree whether what

1516
01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:46,040
about my god but yeah it's some could

1517
01:00:49,090 --> 01:00:47,390
have been with us sort of stuff because

1518
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:49,100
there's not a ways about it that the

1519
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:51,110
intelligence community has benefited

1520
01:00:56,170 --> 01:00:53,990
handsomely from Hayden its secrets and

1521
01:00:57,790 --> 01:00:56,180
planes say if you like and activating it

1522
01:00:59,830 --> 01:00:57,800
till you Air Force because if you

1523
01:01:02,320 --> 01:00:59,840
remember an old UFO corn from says I

1524
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:02,330
mean I didn't have seen it myself when

1525
01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:03,680
one of the first things I speakers would

1526
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:05,540
do what would be a welcomed enemy away

1527
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:06,650
from the Europe from the intelligence

1528
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,300
community hunt they've been the audience

1529
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:10,880
because often the well and the reason

1530
01:01:14,890 --> 01:01:12,890
for that is to see just her world that I

1531
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:14,900
said formation was going

1532
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:17,090
and just to see what hopi who are buying

1533
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:19,190
into it because don't forget a lot of

1534
01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:20,630
these guys a lot of these intelligence

1535
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:23,300
officers and intelligence groups they

1536
01:01:26,740 --> 01:01:24,890
were controlling the agenda they were

1537
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:26,750
controlling the information and they

1538
01:01:30,340 --> 01:01:28,070
just wanted to see how well it was going

1539
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:30,350
however what was being a been accepted

1540
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:34,010
by the general public and as if I'm

1541
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:35,390
absolutely certain we are visited by

1542
01:01:42,250 --> 01:01:37,730
entities from from from other realities

1543
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:42,260
I'm also equally sure that the

1544
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:44,750
intelligence community has exploited the

1545
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:46,610
theories about it for little ends and

1546
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:48,410
I've done so very well and the reason

1547
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:49,670
they don't do it now is because I don't

1548
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:51,530
think they need to because most of the

1549
01:01:56,290 --> 01:01:55,070
technology that we have just no but

1550
01:01:57,580 --> 01:01:56,300
wouldn't be seeing the benefits of that

1551
01:01:58,780 --> 01:01:57,590
then the ultra secrets therefore

1552
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:58,790
wouldn't see if over the next 30 years

1553
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:00,980
or so before they finally got in their

1554
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,780
door well they're gonna deal with it but

1555
01:02:06,550 --> 01:02:04,640
I'm also equally sure that the

1556
01:02:07,810 --> 01:02:06,560
intelligence community has exploited a

1557
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:07,820
lot of their stuff ruthlessly for their

1558
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:08,390
own ends

1559
01:02:13,780 --> 01:02:11,750
I mean I've been out to Roswell Brian I

1560
01:02:15,940 --> 01:02:13,790
mean yeah and I wouldn't disagree with

1561
01:02:20,770 --> 01:02:15,950
you I mean you know Nick Redfern for

1562
01:02:24,130 --> 01:02:20,780
example two books about ape certainly

1563
01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:24,140
was a man-made contraption that crashed

1564
01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:26,630
at Roswell now and and the one thing I

1565
01:02:30,970 --> 01:02:28,460
could never get about Roswell if it

1566
01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:30,980
wasn't et what say it was first contact

1567
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:33,950
for sake of argument as those that

1568
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:37,610
believe in it claim it was then rather

1569
01:02:41,350 --> 01:02:39,830
rather than covering up I thought the

1570
01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:41,360
Americans would have done the exact

1571
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:44,140
opposite mm-hmm because the propaganda

1572
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:47,090
from it would have been enormous oh yeah

1573
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:49,640
for sure you know the the the Cold War

1574
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:51,920
was just just about starting and can you

1575
01:02:56,650 --> 01:02:54,530
imagine dry and you being the president

1576
01:02:59,590 --> 01:02:56,660
of the US and we have first contact and

1577
01:03:02,290 --> 01:02:59,600
yeah okay it ends in catastrophe but

1578
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:02,300
they came to America and not Russia can

1579
01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:04,250
you imagine that you know and you could

1580
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,620
have done wink-wink nudge-nudge guess

1581
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:08,720
what we found you know I mean we know we

1582
01:03:12,250 --> 01:03:10,610
got only our own nukes but these guys

1583
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:12,260
brought along some stuff as well that

1584
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:14,150
we're working on yeah it would have been

1585
01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:17,620
tremendous but it didn't happen you know

1586
01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:20,180
according to people like that

1587
01:03:24,130 --> 01:03:22,340
the late Stanton Friedman and others you

1588
01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:24,140
know the cosmic Watergate was put in

1589
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:26,420
place within hours oh yes which to me

1590
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:28,170
doesn't make any sense

1591
01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:30,569
Oh oh yeah they fell it does it does

1592
01:03:37,339 --> 01:03:35,190
because don't forget in America you have

1593
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:37,349
got a little a whole bunch of

1594
01:03:43,819 --> 01:03:40,500
evangelical right-wing Christians okay

1595
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:43,829
now if you were to suggest the et was

1596
01:03:49,460 --> 01:03:46,970
earlier and the world visiting us and

1597
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:49,470
they had no religion because I think one

1598
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:51,299
of the questions that I kept coming then

1599
01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:52,680
it was in washed cufflinks I heard this

1600
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:54,599
talk with sanctuary city that was a last

1601
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:57,210
couple of weeks I held this and I was

1602
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:58,619
one of the questions that somebody would

1603
01:04:03,579 --> 01:04:01,260
like to ask an ETF ever got and contact

1604
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:03,589
with them do you have religion okay

1605
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,460
because f Sidhu its president island for

1606
01:04:14,539 --> 01:04:11,280
spin or on the whole concept of religion

1607
01:04:17,089 --> 01:04:14,549
because if they don't then it means that

1608
01:04:18,859 --> 01:04:17,099
the the religion is entirely a man-made

1609
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,869
concept that a human-made concepts

1610
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,119
always say and if it doesn't exist on

1611
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,280
any other planet in the galaxy that was

1612
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:24,720
that will happen to get in contact with

1613
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:28,049
them surely it means it's a this

1614
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:30,930
presents a grave threat to the

1615
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:33,420
established religions and this on this

1616
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:35,940
planet because a half hell that said

1617
01:04:40,220 --> 01:04:37,890
that I think a kid that came from the

1618
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:40,230
Vatican as I remember right away when I

1619
01:04:45,140 --> 01:04:42,930
was trying to be corrected that what

1620
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:45,150
would what would they say if Fe T landed

1621
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:47,010
here and the phone that didn't believe

1622
01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:48,930
in God now answer the came from the

1623
01:04:56,299 --> 01:04:51,059
Vatican s hoptastic would convert them

1624
01:05:00,799 --> 01:04:56,309
the effect of what you know yeah yeah

1625
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:00,809
why not fit in the same load of

1626
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,410
codswallop weed feeding us for years but

1627
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:05,640
again it's the subjects very emotive

1628
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:09,119
bombs pretty sure that the US would not

1629
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:10,770
have shouted about this so therefore

1630
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:13,520
fear of upset ovulate the religious rate

1631
01:05:20,359 --> 01:05:18,059
in America I'm actually I'm just going

1632
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:20,369
to jump in there because I'm not saying

1633
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:22,470
I disagree with you there Brian at all

1634
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:27,299
but the biggest red red flag for me you

1635
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:29,010
know I'm not saying it isn't one of the

1636
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:31,619
art and craft that's all that annal saw

1637
01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:34,500
but what we got to remember is there

1638
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:36,390
were probably only two or three of those

1639
01:05:42,050 --> 01:05:39,690
bill in Nazi Germany before the word

1640
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:42,060
shirted now yeah okay the

1641
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:43,770
come down send him across to the states

1642
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:46,110
for what we've got to remember is that

1643
01:05:51,110 --> 01:05:49,170
Kenneth on will saw now gave them flying

1644
01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:51,120
in formation yes they could have they

1645
01:05:54,620 --> 01:05:52,950
could have built some and you know but

1646
01:05:57,020 --> 01:05:54,630
wasn't the one that a different shape

1647
01:05:59,660 --> 01:05:57,030
altogether that I actually saw as well

1648
01:06:02,300 --> 01:05:59,670
and also you know to me it just seems an

1649
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:02,310
uncommonly large number of test aircraft

1650
01:06:06,350 --> 01:06:04,170
you know usually the only build maybe

1651
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:06,360
one or two went in try you try and fly

1652
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:10,440
them around you know and but in project

1653
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:13,650
1947 which was undertaken as a response

1654
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:17,220
to the sightings of 1947 you know and

1655
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:19,170
older to say a flying wing craft I

1656
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,170
listed as possible sources for some of

1657
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:24,480
the sightings of that year nothing was

1658
01:06:29,170 --> 01:06:26,910
confirmed and the out went out stated at

1659
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:29,180
the time that it wasn't a hot and winged

1660
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:31,490
responsible for Canaveral's sighting

1661
01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:41,010
well which is kind of in some you know

1662
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:43,470
I'm on the fence here but yeah do know

1663
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:46,730
that certainly I think it was the 1960s

1664
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:50,880
it has been proven and admitted that the

1665
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:56,370
CIA did release fake UFO stories to

1666
01:07:00,110 --> 01:06:59,520
cover up overflights of this oh yes by

1667
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:00,120
plane

1668
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:02,520
sure yes so we know they have done that

1669
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:05,130
and if you if we if we jump forward in

1670
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:08,370
time and come to our shores and if we go

1671
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:12,240
to the events at Rendlesham forest

1672
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:14,790
oh yeah one of the theories put forward

1673
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:17,940
in the early days that this was the same

1674
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,820
kind of thing that something had gone

1675
01:07:26,350 --> 01:07:23,520
wrong that was man-made at Rendlesham

1676
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:26,360
forest we don't know what that was but

1677
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:29,310
the perfect cover-up was to call it a

1678
01:07:33,620 --> 01:07:31,050
UFO or a flying saucer

1679
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:33,630
so people would go go looking in the

1680
01:07:38,540 --> 01:07:36,240
wrong direction so that they literally

1681
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:38,550
did hide it in plain sight so to speak

1682
01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:40,410
I'm not saying that's correct I'm just

1683
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:42,390
saying it was one of one of a number of

1684
01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:44,670
theories that was put forward to try and

1685
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:48,270
explain the events Phil I wouldn't argue

1686
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:51,030
with that for one second because for me

1687
01:07:57,130 --> 01:07:55,250
there are only two UFO related events

1688
01:07:59,800 --> 01:07:57,140
I would say I think you've heard me say

1689
01:08:01,900 --> 01:07:59,810
this before there are only two UFO

1690
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,910
related events that I give any real

1691
01:08:06,970 --> 01:08:04,400
clearance there one was Rendlesham and

1692
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,980
the other one was the a seventy case

1693
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:08,480
because I happen to know one of the guys

1694
01:08:12,490 --> 01:08:10,490
who was involved and that I've spoke

1695
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:12,500
them several teams he's like going

1696
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:15,770
yes gates : yeah yeah got no guardian

1697
01:08:23,289 --> 01:08:19,490
Gaddy woods got it ya know as far as I'm

1698
01:08:26,890 --> 01:08:23,299
concerned that guy absolutely without a

1699
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:26,900
want of a doubt is not telling a lie he

1700
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:29,450
and and and they cook : wait i think was

1701
01:08:32,710 --> 01:08:31,730
Ella gay and with her eye shadow but it

1702
01:08:35,579 --> 01:08:32,720
was something happened to these guys

1703
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:35,589
they saw inverted commas something

1704
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:38,710
though the strange thing is that area

1705
01:08:45,340 --> 01:08:41,810
idea magnetic I was for okay

1706
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:45,350
now why this should be I don't know but

1707
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:48,350
Gauri and colon both saw something they

1708
01:08:53,140 --> 01:08:49,970
seemed have had this area that this

1709
01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:53,150
period of missing time under hypnosis

1710
01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:55,100
which is a dangerous we're doing it

1711
01:09:00,160 --> 01:08:57,560
because it means as we know that that I

1712
01:09:02,380 --> 01:09:00,170
think there was our it was a it's not

1713
01:09:03,730 --> 01:09:02,390
the best way getting information people

1714
01:09:05,860 --> 01:09:03,740
because they tend to see what their

1715
01:09:07,150 --> 01:09:05,870
their questioner wants them I say what

1716
01:09:10,420 --> 01:09:07,160
would the thing the question wants to

1717
01:09:12,970 --> 01:09:10,430
hear but the information that came out

1718
01:09:15,130 --> 01:09:12,980
of Gulf Gary I think Kim a under under

1719
01:09:19,630 --> 01:09:15,140
hypnosis because I know the woman they

1720
01:09:21,999 --> 01:09:19,640
carried out and what I showed over there

1721
01:09:24,370 --> 01:09:22,009
something happened to those guys and I'd

1722
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:24,380
love to been a whole as fly in the wall

1723
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:26,210
to see what it was but something

1724
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:27,710
happened what it was

1725
01:09:32,289 --> 01:09:30,350
well Guardian as I count cozy house like

1726
01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:32,299
own and the boss seem to get tomaría

1727
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:35,060
what's one another so yes he seems to

1728
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:37,490
get in contact with something but the

1729
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:40,130
odd thing was it didn't just stop was

1730
01:09:43,660 --> 01:09:42,170
the phosphating because as you probably

1731
01:09:46,150 --> 01:09:43,670
knows that Gary had other things

1732
01:09:48,730 --> 01:09:46,160
happening in the house and his life at

1733
01:09:50,559 --> 01:09:48,740
the same time that only forward on from

1734
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:50,569
this encounter was was what whatever it

1735
01:09:58,270 --> 01:09:56,270
was and it seemed as if a door wide open

1736
01:10:02,620 --> 01:09:58,280
for him and he had been given access to

1737
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,630
a glimpse of another reality and as they

1738
01:10:05,290 --> 01:10:03,920
seemed to follow him work for a well I

1739
01:10:06,910 --> 01:10:05,300
don't think I heart must know that's

1740
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:06,920
because I think it just all stopped

1741
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:08,930
eventually but yeah there was

1742
01:10:13,660 --> 01:10:12,110
other we should would bear call I think

1743
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:13,670
paranormal events rather than if

1744
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:15,530
illogical event started happening after

1745
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:17,570
he had this dissing character was

1746
01:10:22,990 --> 01:10:20,960
whatever it was that they saw this thing

1747
01:10:25,210 --> 01:10:23,000
but as I say that is one of the few

1748
01:10:27,370 --> 01:10:25,220
accounts I would give any real credence

1749
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:27,380
to and the other one is absolutely what

1750
01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:28,940
happened ever and also forest no I know

1751
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:30,920
they might well have been you know

1752
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:32,750
something very terrestrial but they

1753
01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:34,970
tried to cover up but whatever it was it

1754
01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:36,950
wasn't behaving like a terrestrial craft

1755
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:38,300
from what I can gather

1756
01:10:43,180 --> 01:10:40,490
I mean I've spoken to some of the guys

1757
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:43,190
that were involved in it and they're

1758
01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:45,290
currently gave it's pretty convincing

1759
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,580
that there's no two ways about it

1760
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:48,320
because Rendlesham as you probably know

1761
01:10:52,650 --> 01:10:50,300
has been called the British Roswell and

1762
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:52,660
and the Luthor was a British out my Wars

1763
01:10:57,070 --> 01:10:55,130
because the effects of that still go on

1764
01:10:59,620 --> 01:10:57,080
and people still talk about it to this

1765
01:11:03,250 --> 01:10:59,630
day but as far as as far as what

1766
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:03,260
happened at Roswell consumed there's

1767
01:11:07,690 --> 01:11:05,870
been so much said about that and so many

1768
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:07,700
different theories put forward and so a

1769
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:09,290
lot of contradictory stuff speed but

1770
01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:11,570
that I don't think we'll ever get the

1771
01:11:15,670 --> 01:11:13,940
truth what happened Russell whether it

1772
01:11:17,050 --> 01:11:15,680
was an ET craft I'm not I don't know

1773
01:11:19,170 --> 01:11:17,060
what's that my stuff you'd miss him to

1774
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:19,180
think of wars I spent a lot of his life

1775
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,130
demonstrating the fact that there's the

1776
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:24,080
mj-12 documentation that seems to be

1777
01:11:29,530 --> 01:11:26,770
associated with it as well that again

1778
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:29,540
appears to be genuine but a lot of

1779
01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:31,310
people say it's not genuine the MDT of

1780
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,620
documentation is part of the set of a

1781
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:35,840
mission campaign then you would then you

1782
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:38,300
had what happened to Paul bennewitz

1783
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,370
what happened to that guy was shameful I

1784
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:42,560
heard that they're lovely no excuse for

1785
01:11:46,150 --> 01:11:42,890
it

1786
01:11:47,950 --> 01:11:46,160
Richard Doty who still turns up at UFO

1787
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:47,960
events and his thought he healed is some

1788
01:11:54,730 --> 01:11:50,060
sorry hero in some quarters he wasn't

1789
01:11:59,140 --> 01:11:54,740
the guy exploited exploited benefits for

1790
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,150
his own ends and to me what happened was

1791
01:12:02,980 --> 01:12:01,280
all the drive crazy I mean he wasn't I

1792
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:02,990
think it was a bit unstable anyway as

1793
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:04,970
far as I could make it but they pushed

1794
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:07,760
him right over the edge but there are

1795
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:10,190
only a handful of events that I think

1796
01:12:16,810 --> 01:12:14,570
are worthy of any real you for logical

1797
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:16,820
you know for logical hot spots of

1798
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,790
geological milestones pretty much said

1799
01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:21,440
the same myself I wouldn't go down to

1800
01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:22,520
just two

1801
01:12:28,930 --> 01:12:25,390
yeah what I've said is myself they're

1802
01:12:30,940 --> 01:12:28,940
often ufologists caught that 95% of

1803
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:30,950
everything can be explained and the dog

1804
01:12:35,710 --> 01:12:33,020
I don't know where they get this these

1805
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:35,720
figures from at all I've often thought

1806
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:39,920
that the what we'll call you know the

1807
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:43,450
real UFO events our few and far between

1808
01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:47,330
and I certainly wouldn't disagree with

1809
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:48,350
you on the two that you've just

1810
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:53,570
mentioned yeah I met Gary once and and

1811
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,010
and I met Colonel Hall yeah last year at

1812
01:13:03,730 --> 01:13:00,800
Chris's conference limits magazine

1813
01:13:05,620 --> 01:13:03,740
conference okay in Hall yeah it's not in

1814
01:13:12,210 --> 01:13:05,630
Hall this year it's in Ponte fracked in

1815
01:13:17,050 --> 01:13:15,130
don't get me wrong Brian I'm not playing

1816
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,060
devil's advocate here it just bothers me

1817
01:13:21,820 --> 01:13:19,520
now you you have on the first night in

1818
01:13:23,890 --> 01:13:21,830
Rendlesham Jim Penniston and John

1819
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:23,900
Burroughs they're going to the woods

1820
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,030
after being alerted to these strange

1821
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:29,360
lights that's been seen mm-hmm now Jim

1822
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:32,330
Penniston says he saw this craft he

1823
01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:34,190
touched it it felt warm it's are these

1824
01:13:38,830 --> 01:13:36,140
mark these symbols on it walked around

1825
01:13:41,230 --> 01:13:38,840
it for about 45 minutes even drew it in

1826
01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:41,240
his notebook yep yeah his may it was

1827
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:43,220
only a few feet away from him so I

1828
01:13:49,230 --> 01:13:45,410
didn't see any of that all right all I

1829
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:49,240
saw was some lights yeah and I I can't

1830
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:52,220
you know I've discussed this with the

1831
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:54,860
two gentlemen and in the end they

1832
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:57,170
stopped talking to me because I couldn't

1833
01:14:02,440 --> 01:13:58,730
get an answer out of them there

1834
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:02,450
it seemed suitable yeah and we also

1835
01:14:10,270 --> 01:14:05,920
talked about the so called landing marks

1836
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:10,280
and I says well you know the day would

1837
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:11,690
have to be thrown out as evidence

1838
01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:13,070
because she never saw this thing touched

1839
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:15,230
the floor in the first place yeah you

1840
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:17,090
have no idea whether those marks were

1841
01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:19,610
there before he saw this thing here plus

1842
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:21,620
later in the night when the police were

1843
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:24,110
called out and they saw these marks they

1844
01:14:27,490 --> 01:14:25,550
said it was caused by rabbits

1845
01:14:29,020 --> 01:14:27,500
you're not saying they were right I'm

1846
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:29,030
just saying that others that were there

1847
01:14:33,220 --> 01:14:30,290
that night had a different

1848
01:14:35,310 --> 01:14:33,230
interpretation of them sure so there's

1849
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,320
just little things like that that the

1850
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:37,840
bother me Brian and I don't know if you

1851
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:40,810
how could one see a craft and the other

1852
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:45,010
see lights I'm open to you know ideas on

1853
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:47,050
that and they're only stood a few people

1854
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:52,210
feel fee apart well Phil I think that

1855
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:53,590
was something else involved mister no

1856
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:55,300
but I think the guy that touched the

1857
01:14:59,479 --> 01:14:58,000
craft and there's not something happened

1858
01:15:02,580 --> 01:14:59,489
he's supportive had all this information

1859
01:15:04,109 --> 01:15:02,590
downloaded into him from somewhere is

1860
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:04,119
that not part of that story as well they

1861
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:08,230
came out with yes he says that they went

1862
01:15:14,819 --> 01:15:12,130
home and he'd had this cold of zeros and

1863
01:15:16,859 --> 01:15:14,829
ones down that's it wrote it down

1864
01:15:20,370 --> 01:15:16,869
yeah boundary Connery : wrote it down in

1865
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:20,380
his notebook yeah later and he said he

1866
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:22,530
thought it was going mad yeah

1867
01:15:30,209 --> 01:15:25,110
however you never mentioned it until

1868
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:30,219
2010 are what years later and when you

1869
01:15:36,419 --> 01:15:33,730
see it was a the the anniversary

1870
01:15:38,370 --> 01:15:36,429
conference they held in Suffolk and and

1871
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:38,380
he's not actually on the stage at this

1872
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:41,530
point John John Burroughs he's taking

1873
01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:42,790
questions there's somebody asks about

1874
01:15:47,819 --> 01:15:46,060
the binary code yeah innocent asked Jim

1875
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:47,829
you know Jim Penniston has just walked

1876
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:50,050
in yeah it kind of shrugged his

1877
01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:52,210
shoulders and said I didn't think it was

1878
01:15:55,859 --> 01:15:53,980
important now I'm wondering since he

1879
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:55,869
said it's it was so important he had to

1880
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,730
write it down straight away in it almost

1881
01:16:01,050 --> 01:15:59,679
told me about yeah and then the next

1882
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,060
time he struck and his shoulders and

1883
01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:02,560
saying I didn't think it was important

1884
01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:05,860
you know I I'm not saying he's making it

1885
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:07,540
or put it I we never kills the gentleman

1886
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:09,310
have anything like that at all after

1887
01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:10,750
I've said to both gentlemen something

1888
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:12,460
truly bizarre happened to you that night

1889
01:16:18,959 --> 01:16:16,000
I don't we're even one of Britain's most

1890
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:18,969
famous skeptics I won't mention his name

1891
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:21,010
but in private he's admitted to me that

1892
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:23,409
he has no idea what I'm Tilly was told

1893
01:16:26,729 --> 01:16:25,090
gentlemen do you think he thinks he's

1894
01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:26,739
got an explanation for what happened to

1895
01:16:29,780 --> 01:16:27,460
Colonel Eoff

1896
01:16:33,209 --> 01:16:29,790
yeah but not for Penniston and Burroughs

1897
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:33,219
and for him to admit that even in

1898
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,650
private you know took a lot of doing I'm

1899
01:16:45,060 --> 01:16:40,719
just curious mate I'm just just just the

1900
01:16:46,890 --> 01:16:45,070
way my mind works so who's gonna argue

1901
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:46,900
me absolutely an absolutely really us in

1902
01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:48,970
but for

1903
01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:51,940
me the only two that really will okay

1904
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:55,030
I've had no one and Curtis okay with

1905
01:16:59,250 --> 01:16:56,850
apart from that thing I saw as a child

1906
01:17:02,340 --> 01:16:59,260
I've also had lights in the sky that

1907
01:17:04,110 --> 01:17:02,350
I've seen and the odd thing was the guy

1908
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:04,120
who was let's meet in fact the guy that

1909
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,410
was gonna tame me he just died

1910
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:08,560
everywhere on this year but the pair of

1911
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:10,570
us what would was never a teen named

1912
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:11,190
team

1913
01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:13,930
well walking back up but would been down

1914
01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:15,790
the terminal walking back up to the

1915
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:18,460
house and skin wish they didn't and we

1916
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,510
just happened to be looking up at the

1917
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:21,280
sky at the same table and wow look at

1918
01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:22,230
that

1919
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:25,390
there was like two great lights and this

1920
01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:25,810
guy

1921
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:27,880
they shot towards one another the

1922
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:29,380
stopped and the shot apart again

1923
01:17:34,770 --> 01:17:32,110
and we said did you see that I said yeah

1924
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,780
and he said what did we see and he

1925
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,880
didn't see the fly apart again he said

1926
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:38,320
the flew past one another

1927
01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:41,350
I saw them stop them flew apart he said

1928
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:42,550
the flew flashed one another but they

1929
01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:43,750
were very very quick and very very

1930
01:17:47,190 --> 01:17:44,260
bright

1931
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:47,200
we both saw that so we both saw this he

1932
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:48,760
mentioned we both saw a different thing

1933
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:52,000
so this is why I wonder if the guy that

1934
01:17:56,970 --> 01:17:54,130
didn't see the markings on this craft or

1935
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:56,980
the craft itself effort was not meant

1936
01:18:02,850 --> 01:17:59,920
for him to see and this is why I don't

1937
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:02,860
know I don't know I'm trying to

1938
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:04,510
rationalize it Phil I'm just trying to

1939
01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:06,130
give an explanation for it I'm not

1940
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:07,900
saying you're right yeah it's absolutely

1941
01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:11,950
100% that thing that I saw in the

1942
01:18:15,090 --> 01:18:13,750
viewfinder all over the video camera

1943
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:15,100
this dark sea and they came down that

1944
01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:18,490
sphere and the Ireland until I was told

1945
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:20,230
by the medium it was meant for us see

1946
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:22,510
not for anyone else to see which is why

1947
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:24,790
it wasn't seen been embryos nor was it

1948
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:27,670
picked up on the video tape so it was

1949
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:29,740
meant for him to see so I know what what

1950
01:18:33,780 --> 01:18:31,930
this is for restarting could get driftin

1951
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:33,790
in the area of the paranormal rather

1952
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:36,640
than a useful logical but it's possible

1953
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:38,530
that there are main control techniques

1954
01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:40,540
that way let me do this I wanna stay go

1955
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:42,160
ahead I don't know I don't know I don't

1956
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,870
know I'm just I don't know man I'm just

1957
01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:45,760
curious I wouldn't rule it out Brian I'm

1958
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,980
not yeah it's just can't it just

1959
01:18:51,870 --> 01:18:48,880
fascinates merely

1960
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:51,880
oh yes but but again you know it just

1961
01:18:55,470 --> 01:18:53,530
seems to be like an obvious question to

1962
01:18:56,430 --> 01:18:55,480
ask I wasn't mean in any offense by

1963
01:19:02,590 --> 01:18:56,440
asking that question

1964
01:19:06,130 --> 01:19:02,600
hell no absolutely not 100% rate me the

1965
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:06,140
that the whole subject has bedeviled

1966
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:09,650
with these little anomalies and it's

1967
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:11,090
there normally is that create the

1968
01:19:14,110 --> 01:19:12,170
interest to keep people interested

1969
01:19:16,180 --> 01:19:14,120
there's someone who no matter what you

1970
01:19:18,490 --> 01:19:16,190
say about a case someone will always go

1971
01:19:20,530 --> 01:19:18,500
on but I'd like this above all but

1972
01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:20,540
that's what with that no case is

1973
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:23,000
absolutely watertight no case is perfect

1974
01:19:27,550 --> 01:19:25,010
and I think this little keeps us coming

1975
01:19:29,530 --> 01:19:27,560
back to all the time yeah I'll give you

1976
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,540
another example of this and we're

1977
01:19:33,970 --> 01:19:30,800
talking about your Second World War

1978
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:33,980
technologies I think that I read a book

1979
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:35,750
called the hunt for zero point Bennet

1980
01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:37,970
cook but one of the best in fact I wore

1981
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:39,500
the blue coat and I think another copy

1982
01:19:50,970 --> 01:19:42,590
of it it was so good see sure are you

1983
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:50,980
sure it was that book which is about

1984
01:19:57,070 --> 01:19:53,930
which is about the Glock you know at the

1985
01:20:01,120 --> 01:19:57,080
Bell okay then I'd say Bill and this

1986
01:20:03,790 --> 01:20:01,130
absolutely fascinated me but when you

1987
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:03,800
see this on TV that big lock

1988
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:08,330
I mean I go but I go but Kowski who is

1989
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,650
it well I think the guy that actually he

1990
01:20:12,670 --> 01:20:11,360
brought it do not a lot of people's

1991
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:12,680
attention because even a lot of the

1992
01:20:17,260 --> 01:20:14,690
stuff in that area

1993
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,270
there has been supposedly there's been a

1994
01:20:21,220 --> 01:20:19,280
time travel device it's been the

1995
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:21,230
propulsion system for some sort of

1996
01:20:28,620 --> 01:20:24,770
spacecraft and as rigor it variously

1997
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:28,630
claimed that that who was an SS general

1998
01:20:34,150 --> 01:20:31,610
he's name will come back to me that he's

1999
01:20:36,460 --> 01:20:34,160
supposed to have used it to escape now

2000
01:20:39,970 --> 01:20:36,470
Eisen escaped trials and all the rest of

2001
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:39,980
it because he disappeared and and the

2002
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:41,570
Glock is supposed to have disappeared

2003
01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:43,610
that the end of World War two and going

2004
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:47,030
to places unknown and there's also other

2005
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:49,310
now there's the report Brian of it

2006
01:20:58,810 --> 01:20:55,760
landing somewhere expert nicely yes but

2007
01:21:00,580 --> 01:20:58,820
the thing is that whatever lund didn't

2008
01:21:02,260 --> 01:21:00,590
catch welcome not know I've had a fella

2009
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:02,270
suggest it was actually Russian subtly

2010
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:05,600
and and that the the markings on the

2011
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,270
side of it which were commented on if

2012
01:21:12,730 --> 01:21:09,920
they were as they were and and Russian

2013
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:12,740
and kill awake still awake script there

2014
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,690
would have been an alien alien rate and

2015
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:15,920
if you late the Americans who wouldn't

2016
01:21:17,860 --> 01:21:16,370
have a clue

2017
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:17,870
satellite script look like in the first

2018
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,400
place but but but this dick look I have

2019
01:21:27,420 --> 01:21:24,560
had some of and there's some real good

2020
01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:27,430
digging in others and the best

2021
01:21:31,420 --> 01:21:29,720
explanation real rational explanation

2022
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:31,430
could come up with is what it actually

2023
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,810
was was it was a plasma centrifuge

2024
01:21:39,070 --> 01:21:37,040
because as you probably know the Nazis

2025
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,080
were not a kick in the backside of

2026
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:41,360
development or nuclear bomb and fight

2027
01:21:47,290 --> 01:21:43,880
that carried out a couple of tests or an

2028
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,300
island something up to the senior sort

2029
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:49,760
of Tom's and also Germany someplace that

2030
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:52,490
actually carried out some tests of I

2031
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:56,210
feel like pre nuclear devices and they

2032
01:22:00,820 --> 01:21:58,850
had to get weapons-grade uranium

2033
01:22:04,510 --> 01:22:00,830
obviously I do this and the Glock

2034
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:04,520
appears to have been as I say a plasma

2035
01:22:08,710 --> 01:22:06,110
centrifuge it they would use is part of

2036
01:22:11,290 --> 01:22:08,720
the process but well there was a

2037
01:22:15,670 --> 01:22:11,300
time-travel machine I don't know

2038
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:15,680
probably know what neck Cook implies

2039
01:22:20,110 --> 01:22:18,530
there might have been because he implies

2040
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:20,120
that there were certain protocols had to

2041
01:22:23,470 --> 01:22:21,410
be gone through everything they used

2042
01:22:26,170 --> 01:22:23,480
this thing that the radiation from it

2043
01:22:28,810 --> 01:22:26,180
will absolutely horrendous that plants

2044
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:28,820
died animals died and I think a lot of

2045
01:22:34,090 --> 01:22:32,510
the a lot of the air that the scientists

2046
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:34,100
you know were actually working with this

2047
01:22:41,170 --> 01:22:38,330
thing and became very ill and also that

2048
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:41,180
the the F is going back to the Ark of

2049
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:44,360
the Covenant here that killed everybody

2050
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:46,370
that looked at it did it yeah me

2051
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:48,470
absolutely did with other thing is that

2052
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:50,600
a lot of the scientists who worked on

2053
01:22:56,830 --> 01:22:54,050
the glock project that the SS shot them

2054
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:56,840
in case they fell into Russian hands you

2055
01:23:00,940 --> 01:22:58,970
know and they could give up the secrets

2056
01:23:03,310 --> 01:23:00,950
from the Russians do you not think Brian

2057
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:03,320
you know after all we've learned since

2058
01:23:09,370 --> 01:23:05,870
the end of the war that we would give

2059
01:23:10,780 --> 01:23:09,380
the Germans too much credit for things

2060
01:23:13,870 --> 01:23:10,790
that they may or may not have been

2061
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:13,880
working on I mean put it in the that's

2062
01:23:19,570 --> 01:23:16,250
less you know put cows on the table they

2063
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:19,580
lost and they're like a big way you know

2064
01:23:26,140 --> 01:23:21,740
and they knew they were gonna lose from

2065
01:23:28,690 --> 01:23:26,150
I think from about 1942 onwards and it's

2066
01:23:29,770 --> 01:23:28,700
same the Japanese knew from the absolute

2067
01:23:32,170 --> 01:23:29,780
staff

2068
01:23:33,790 --> 01:23:32,180
from Pearl Harbor they knew that they

2069
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:33,800
were going to lose there was no there

2070
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:36,650
was no winning yeah so you know I think

2071
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:38,330
we give them a bit too much credit

2072
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:42,860
well as far will Mandy earlier about

2073
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:45,050
silicon chips we mentioned about you

2074
01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:48,170
know lasers and fiber optics as knowing

2075
01:23:51,820 --> 01:23:50,300
that Siemens was working on that stuff

2076
01:23:53,740 --> 01:23:51,830
at Telefunken were what they were

2077
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,750
working on the predecessor solves that

2078
01:23:57,550 --> 01:23:55,760
stuff it was handed to the Americans and

2079
01:23:58,750 --> 01:23:57,560
Americans we're at work because there

2080
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:58,760
the resources the time and the resources

2081
01:24:02,740 --> 01:23:59,600
to do it

2082
01:24:03,940 --> 01:24:02,750
but the Germans didn't do it the Nazis

2083
01:24:06,340 --> 01:24:03,950
didn't do it because they didn't have

2084
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:06,350
the time the resources then of the

2085
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:08,510
personnel but I think they did a damn

2086
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:10,010
good job at what they did do because

2087
01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:12,320
been okay that they took some kicking

2088
01:24:16,330 --> 01:24:13,490
there's no theories about it

2089
01:24:17,710 --> 01:24:16,340
but don't forget that was one relatively

2090
01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:17,720
small country ticking on the entire

2091
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:21,070
world and it took the combined forces of

2092
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:24,560
Burton America you know that the

2093
01:24:27,610 --> 01:24:25,850
Commonwealth has there wasn't the same

2094
01:24:28,510 --> 01:24:27,620
and every other three countries that

2095
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:28,520
could lend a hand

2096
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,920
it took that to put them down but even

2097
01:24:34,780 --> 01:24:32,480
to the last there was still looking

2098
01:24:37,090 --> 01:24:34,790
Trent developers as Wunderwaffe the

2099
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:37,100
wonder weapons and that was really again

2100
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:39,050
the Bell the Glock comes in into that

2101
01:24:42,220 --> 01:24:40,790
general heading then I'm pretty sure

2102
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:42,230
that the Wonder weapon they were looking

2103
01:24:47,290 --> 01:24:43,610
for was actually a nuclear bomb that

2104
01:24:49,330 --> 01:24:47,300
because that's because once they had a

2105
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:49,340
rock I mean that the had the v2 well

2106
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:50,750
that was the most advanced not at that

2107
01:24:54,430 --> 01:24:52,850
time which is another story because we

2108
01:24:56,590 --> 01:24:54,440
started not available on Baronne I

2109
01:24:59,080 --> 01:24:56,600
mother committed not see the ended up in

2110
01:25:01,330 --> 01:24:59,090
Germany and ended up and and an American

2111
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,340
that very well over along with it was

2112
01:25:07,810 --> 01:25:03,920
another guy called dawn burger but these

2113
01:25:10,210 --> 01:25:07,820
guys the whole v2 project the rock turvy

2114
01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:10,220
10 that was actually there was there was

2115
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:12,260
an America bomber maybe even were trying

2116
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:15,110
to develop bombers to fly to America and

2117
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:17,690
there were also the whole V weapon

2118
01:25:21,940 --> 01:25:19,610
project the rocket project they were

2119
01:25:23,860 --> 01:25:21,950
looking for a few like an ICBM they are

2120
01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:23,870
trying to develop as well because F they

2121
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:25,910
coulda got that to work and if they

2122
01:25:28,810 --> 01:25:27,530
could have developed a nuclear weapon to

2123
01:25:31,150 --> 01:25:28,820
the with the point they could have stuck

2124
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:31,160
on the end of the warhead of our of our

2125
01:25:35,140 --> 01:25:33,170
rocket they were to use their no no

2126
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:35,150
mistake and now that would at under Worf

2127
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,730
rapidly in their favor you know that or

2128
01:25:41,890 --> 01:25:39,920
they would at least a level of savagery

2129
01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:41,900
that we haven't seen and hopefully we'll

2130
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:43,670
see you trying to put them down again

2131
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:45,710
but yeah I mean but we're starting to

2132
01:25:49,330 --> 01:25:47,330
get him test subject that but I just

2133
01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:49,340
wanna talk about quit frankly but I know

2134
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:52,340
brought out but there it's a difficult

2135
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:53,050
subject

2136
01:25:57,700 --> 01:25:55,910
well what I'm gonna do there Brian and

2137
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:57,710
Phil because we've got about thirty to

2138
01:26:01,600 --> 01:25:59,270
thirty three minutes to the show left

2139
01:26:03,570 --> 01:26:01,610
now I wanted to talk to you Brian about

2140
01:26:06,430 --> 01:26:03,580
project oh yeah yeah okay

2141
01:26:08,260 --> 01:26:06,440
evaluations yeah yeah latest probably

2142
01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:08,270
there's only a minute in January this

2143
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,060
year and you want to give us a synopsis

2144
01:26:17,410 --> 01:26:14,480
oh yeah of course yeah FF I can

2145
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:17,420
basically what it is we've been working

2146
01:26:29,530 --> 01:26:22,370
on a lot of stuff the skim basically it

2147
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,540
came from stuff that a guy called forgot

2148
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:32,000
it with Steve Steve Mira and Dawn

2149
01:26:35,860 --> 01:26:33,590
Phillips but the two guys that were

2150
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:35,870
actually involved in this now Don

2151
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:39,890
Phillips had been doing stuff pretty

2152
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,410
miraculous stuff I feel as the best way

2153
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:44,800
Putin of it he's been doing stuff that

2154
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:47,210
appears of no rational explanation he

2155
01:26:52,050 --> 01:26:49,850
was able to do this stuff and you'll

2156
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,060
find him all over YouTube done Phillips

2157
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:54,800
we did I did a lot did a lot of the

2158
01:26:57,610 --> 01:26:56,450
stuff that he did with this entity the

2159
01:27:02,140 --> 01:26:57,620
calls that they love Becky

2160
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:02,150
okay now this entity Becky tied up with

2161
01:27:05,980 --> 01:27:03,560
it or let tied up with him what the

2162
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,990
point on a case he'd been on and has

2163
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:07,760
been with him ever since and he

2164
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:11,840
communicates it was that via digital you

2165
01:27:16,930 --> 01:27:14,690
know olympus digital recorders and i've

2166
01:27:18,490 --> 01:27:16,940
held them doing this thing and also

2167
01:27:20,140 --> 01:27:18,500
communicates him with what's called

2168
01:27:22,630 --> 01:27:20,150
direct voice that communicates with a

2169
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:22,640
many of them here steve Zeisler had that

2170
01:27:26,530 --> 01:27:24,530
do this and the last thing that steve

2171
01:27:29,230 --> 01:27:26,540
habit or the first thing i hear that was

2172
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:29,240
on a plane flying back from Seattle okay

2173
01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:30,560
they've been investigating this

2174
01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:32,660
particular case the way I slide to go

2175
01:27:38,770 --> 01:27:35,060
back to this particular case called

2176
01:27:40,630 --> 01:27:38,780
demons in Seattle and this thing

2177
01:27:42,340 --> 01:27:40,640
actually spoke to them or a for a

2178
01:27:45,490 --> 01:27:42,350
thousand feet another actual flying

2179
01:27:47,260 --> 01:27:45,500
height to London okay and Steve head and

2180
01:27:49,060 --> 01:27:47,270
you got the submit there was this wow

2181
01:27:51,370 --> 01:27:49,070
what was that and then just looks say

2182
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:51,380
that was Becky nicely spoke to him but

2183
01:27:56,140 --> 01:27:54,230
anyway I advise like I've asked to

2184
01:27:57,429 --> 01:27:56,150
communicate with this thing via Skype

2185
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,439
would you believe

2186
01:28:02,500 --> 01:27:59,840
and sustain Jessa strangest thing not

2187
01:28:05,529 --> 01:28:02,510
directly but that I was talking to dawn

2188
01:28:07,899 --> 01:28:05,539
on skype dawn was talking to this Becky

2189
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:07,909
and Becky was answering them it really

2190
01:28:12,370 --> 01:28:10,610
we have the experience and a couple of

2191
01:28:15,009 --> 01:28:12,380
questions to ask this thing sometimes

2192
01:28:17,739 --> 01:28:15,019
they'll answer sometimes that would or

2193
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:17,749
something to give you answers to are so

2194
01:28:23,949 --> 01:28:20,570
like just they just don't make any sense

2195
01:28:27,310 --> 01:28:23,959
doesn't make any sense to me because I

2196
01:28:29,799 --> 01:28:27,320
asked it that there's Becky via beer

2197
01:28:31,569 --> 01:28:29,809
dawn I asked this bet there's Becky I

2198
01:28:33,069 --> 01:28:31,579
said look I said you've heard of the

2199
01:28:34,839 --> 01:28:33,079
Nephilim you've heard of the Watchers

2200
01:28:36,819 --> 01:28:34,849
and these could these things that have

2201
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:36,829
you know spiritual if you like but the

2202
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:39,050
seem TV comes from another reality are

2203
01:28:43,689 --> 01:28:41,689
you one of them and the answer that came

2204
01:28:44,409 --> 01:28:43,699
back was now have they see this he's on

2205
01:28:48,129 --> 01:28:44,419
the right Wayans

2206
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:48,139
so you said Wow wolf you know so this

2207
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:50,449
entity Becky has been with them

2208
01:28:54,009 --> 01:28:52,489
it's what them all the time and it

2209
01:28:55,959 --> 01:28:54,019
communicates with them and it seems to

2210
01:28:59,159 --> 01:28:55,969
help but one of a better but no Steve

2211
01:29:01,330 --> 01:28:59,169
and I have told them ad nauseam

2212
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:01,340
don't believe what this thing tells you

2213
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:02,449
because you don't know what else but

2214
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:04,729
dawn is shooting us with us as they help

2215
01:29:10,089 --> 01:29:07,130
woman and it doesn't see it's an angel

2216
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,099
but implies em twice it's angelic than

2217
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:12,320
one of a better world and whether as

2218
01:29:17,409 --> 01:29:15,289
I've not to me efforts tell and efforts

2219
01:29:19,839 --> 01:29:17,419
implying its angelic there's a fair

2220
01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:19,849
chance it's not because F it's not

2221
01:29:23,979 --> 01:29:22,760
angelic you don't know what is and we we

2222
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,989
have told them to pitted we'll leave it

2223
01:29:26,949 --> 01:29:25,760
alone babe but Dawn's quite happy with

2224
01:29:28,899 --> 01:29:26,959
it and good luck to them if you watch

2225
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:28,909
they get involved with this thing well

2226
01:29:33,699 --> 01:29:32,090
and good but as he Steve's held them he

2227
01:29:35,379 --> 01:29:33,709
had that talk that I've talked him I

2228
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:35,389
failed to talk to them and I feel that

2229
01:29:38,859 --> 01:29:37,489
he has it on skype doing it so there's

2230
01:29:40,679 --> 01:29:38,869
nothing worse that is in contact with

2231
01:29:44,259 --> 01:29:40,689
something however

2232
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:44,269
Don asked Steve to involve them and and

2233
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:45,679
this is what the book is really about as

2234
01:29:49,689 --> 01:29:47,329
a scientific evaluation of the

2235
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:49,699
paranormal or as a scientific as within

2236
01:29:55,899 --> 01:29:51,530
make it using the organization that

2237
01:29:57,790 --> 01:29:55,909
Steve represents and we've come to a

2238
01:30:00,520 --> 01:29:57,800
series of conclusions I mean certain the

2239
01:30:04,209 --> 01:30:00,530
cases are in the book there's two cases

2240
01:30:06,879 --> 01:30:04,219
in particular pretty interesting one is

2241
01:30:09,909 --> 01:30:06,889
this the party row in Seattle thanks a

2242
01:30:12,050 --> 01:30:09,919
suburb of Seattle called Bothell and a

2243
01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:12,060
guy called Keith Linda

2244
01:30:17,420 --> 01:30:15,030
the case that this place and and and and

2245
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:17,430
Bothell it was actually Ghost Adventures

2246
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:20,250
that that guys that big and he does a

2247
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:20,880
show in it

2248
01:30:26,780 --> 01:30:24,300
and they turned up and they investigate

2249
01:30:29,060 --> 01:30:26,790
the case and because it didn't go they

2250
01:30:30,980 --> 01:30:29,070
wanted it to go then they didn't see it

2251
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:30,990
was a fake but they implied that that

2252
01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:34,050
keith was making up but I said oh I'm

2253
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:36,600
absolutely certain it wasn't and Dawn is

2254
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:38,400
also certainly wasn't and Steve it's

2255
01:30:40,940 --> 01:30:39,690
also see at me wasn't though that that's

2256
01:30:43,130 --> 01:30:40,950
one of the kids to talk about in the

2257
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:43,140
book another case that it they've all

2258
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:44,940
haven't done and Becky is is what

2259
01:30:51,380 --> 01:30:49,890
happened and Slagel and in Ireland that

2260
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:51,390
that's what buddy buddy Fitzgerald's

2261
01:30:54,530 --> 01:30:52,650
involved in that case and it's quite a

2262
01:30:57,050 --> 01:30:54,540
fascinating but but the whole thing

2263
01:30:58,610 --> 01:30:57,060
about the bottle case is that the had to

2264
01:31:01,340 --> 01:30:58,620
go back again and the second thing that

2265
01:31:03,740 --> 01:31:01,350
went back the took Nick McHale with them

2266
01:31:05,780 --> 01:31:03,750
the Nick at the time was the president

2267
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:05,790
of the of the Scottish version of SPR

2268
01:31:11,150 --> 01:31:08,130
the SSP had a Scottish Society per se

2269
01:31:14,630 --> 01:31:11,160
for result and he went across with them

2270
01:31:19,670 --> 01:31:14,640
as a sort of our referee you know if you

2271
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,680
like I don't partial judge now some of

2272
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:21,120
the stuff that happened whenever across

2273
01:31:23,930 --> 01:31:22,290
it was great for us and there was

2274
01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:23,940
português defects happening in the house

2275
01:31:29,330 --> 01:31:25,230
that were able to actually monitor and

2276
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:29,340
catch and another thing that happened

2277
01:31:32,420 --> 01:31:30,810
was it was one of the conversations

2278
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:32,430
unless this is what you think you start

2279
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:33,930
seeing what the hell is going on here

2280
01:31:38,930 --> 01:31:36,090
because they were setting up cameras

2281
01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:38,940
infrared cameras and one of the voices

2282
01:31:44,570 --> 01:31:41,310
the head of the tape says they said

2283
01:31:48,230 --> 01:31:44,580
cameras and the other voice said made

2284
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:48,240
vision so these things seem to be are

2285
01:31:51,380 --> 01:31:49,860
we're exactly what was happening in that

2286
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,390
house and what was the equipment that

2287
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:53,280
was getting installed in it so why say

2288
01:31:57,020 --> 01:31:55,560
one camera that was an FLI other

2289
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:57,030
forward-looking infra-red and point of

2290
01:32:01,160 --> 01:31:59,340
fact the camera was and it says the

2291
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:01,170
other voices Nate vision so it

2292
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:03,450
recognized it for what it was but the

2293
01:32:07,670 --> 01:32:06,030
most alarming aspect of that Bothell

2294
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:07,680
case was know what happened and keifa

2295
01:32:12,230 --> 01:32:09,450
Linda's house he actually Rachel had to

2296
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:12,240
leave the house and I think I know

2297
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:14,130
another group another said was I rented

2298
01:32:17,570 --> 01:32:15,090
the house it wasn't even one house I

2299
01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:17,580
rented those and he left and I think

2300
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:19,350
other people other people were took over

2301
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:21,090
the rent and started living there and he

2302
01:32:24,419 --> 01:32:22,710
hasn't had the heart to go back and ask

2303
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:24,429
if enemies Bushnell

2304
01:32:29,850 --> 01:32:27,600
now he'd better leave alone well anyway

2305
01:32:31,919 --> 01:32:29,860
one of the things that happened to dawn

2306
01:32:34,860 --> 01:32:31,929
in particular was that the benighted

2307
01:32:36,810 --> 01:32:34,870
Dana for abate seat I think they're done

2308
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:36,820
was meeting some people and Steve was

2309
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:41,050
with them and after the leftover just

2310
01:32:44,939 --> 01:32:42,310
neither the point I go in for the meal

2311
01:32:46,919 --> 01:32:44,949
I'm just coming out of the Dana I'm

2312
01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:46,929
Doren said these streets are summing

2313
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:48,790
over it was trees that amazed and he

2314
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:50,110
said there's something there's bodies

2315
01:32:53,939 --> 01:32:51,370
here and all the wars but that well

2316
01:32:55,229 --> 01:32:53,949
bodies here anyway the left of that that

2317
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:55,239
and they go back in the car that went

2318
01:33:00,300 --> 01:32:57,730
back to Keith's house then at some point

2319
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,310
in the course of the evening dawn said

2320
01:33:03,660 --> 01:33:02,080
I've got to go back there I've got to go

2321
01:33:04,860 --> 01:33:03,670
back there so that so they got the

2322
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:04,870
person who would take my mother and

2323
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:07,380
Steve Steve all come with you right

2324
01:33:12,090 --> 01:33:10,000
so invited tell us that to this day and

2325
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,100
it was closed with this thing but there

2326
01:33:15,570 --> 01:33:13,600
was a street obviously still there no

2327
01:33:18,530 --> 01:33:15,580
stuff the dawn goes across and he's

2328
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:18,540
having this he's got that recorder on no

2329
01:33:23,399 --> 01:33:21,730
Steve starts to get general around the

2330
01:33:25,530 --> 01:33:23,409
what was happening them because the

2331
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:25,540
voices are saying and I said it was as

2332
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,730
clear as I could clear this could be he

2333
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:29,440
started with 15 feet from Dawn they can

2334
01:33:33,570 --> 01:33:30,610
hear this coming off that a cordless

2335
01:33:36,270 --> 01:33:33,580
then you belong to us we want your power

2336
01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:36,280
you should be with us we need you and

2337
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,270
the and then Steve said darkness topless

2338
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:42,400
said because this is not what I do that

2339
01:33:46,649 --> 01:33:44,560
this is supernatural not button almost I

2340
01:33:48,090 --> 01:33:46,659
don't make this and he says stop it well

2341
01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:48,100
done said to thinking base go and sit in

2342
01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:50,260
the car wet so Steve went and sat in the

2343
01:33:54,899 --> 01:33:52,030
car and about 20 minutes later dawn came

2344
01:33:57,930 --> 01:33:54,909
up and said that's it they've gone these

2345
01:33:59,459 --> 01:33:57,940
things were and I faked demonic so I saw

2346
01:34:01,439 --> 01:33:59,469
the really completely because we're

2347
01:34:04,290 --> 01:34:01,449
starting into very very gray areas here

2348
01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:04,300
but Don thinks that there's entity Becky

2349
01:34:09,689 --> 01:34:08,350
is there to help him okay and to protect

2350
01:34:11,490 --> 01:34:09,699
him from the worst effects of these

2351
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:11,500
things because it has this conversation

2352
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:15,010
that mate is in bed his life his wife

2353
01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:18,159
and this thing is talking on the

2354
01:34:24,899 --> 01:34:20,620
recorder charting away Becky and

2355
01:34:27,419 --> 01:34:24,909
occasionally if the conversation and

2356
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:27,429
thought as show as if dawn is alarming

2357
01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:29,890
too much he's come up with these things

2358
01:34:34,979 --> 01:34:32,140
these entities who that Don calls them

2359
01:34:36,990 --> 01:34:34,989
lighter tones or lighter tones and they

2360
01:34:38,250 --> 01:34:37,000
seem to act as gatekeepers for what the

2361
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:38,260
information is getting exchanged

2362
01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:40,960
- doh infamous Becky and they just

2363
01:34:45,150 --> 01:34:43,540
literally crashed when the volume of the

2364
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:45,160
play might just shoot through the roof

2365
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:47,410
and these things that letter was shut it

2366
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:48,850
down as they think that you thought too

2367
01:34:52,710 --> 01:34:50,110
much information is getting passed

2368
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:52,720
across so there's nothing reason voter

2369
01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:55,210
that dawn is in contact with something

2370
01:35:00,570 --> 01:34:58,090
and I've only covered two of the cases

2371
01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:00,580
that he was involved was with Steve one

2372
01:35:04,410 --> 01:35:02,500
in northern and southern ireland another

2373
01:35:08,190 --> 01:35:04,420
one over in Bothell but both of these

2374
01:35:10,980 --> 01:35:08,200
are actually described in great detail

2375
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:10,990
on the book with three other cases but

2376
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,490
another thing we've tried to do I get

2377
01:35:17,190 --> 01:35:14,560
the scientific side of it is that

2378
01:35:17,670 --> 01:35:17,200
poltergeist movements as far as we can

2379
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:17,680
tell

2380
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:21,010
don't obey physical laws it's very

2381
01:35:27,450 --> 01:35:24,010
seldom when something is moved through

2382
01:35:29,310 --> 01:35:27,460
if you like poltergeist effects you

2383
01:35:31,770 --> 01:35:29,320
never see it tick it off and landing

2384
01:35:34,290 --> 01:35:31,780
you'll see it in the air and that lands

2385
01:35:35,730 --> 01:35:34,300
and this is what quantum entanglement

2386
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:35,740
comes back into again because it seems

2387
01:35:39,810 --> 01:35:37,930
as though as soon as you see the thing

2388
01:35:41,340 --> 01:35:39,820
in motion it falls to the floor in other

2389
01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:41,350
words you've interacted with it you've

2390
01:35:45,090 --> 01:35:43,030
seen it and and it stops there that's

2391
01:35:47,460 --> 01:35:45,100
then that actually stops the movement it

2392
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:47,470
falls to the floor the other thing

2393
01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:49,840
appears to be the so and these things

2394
01:35:55,170 --> 01:35:53,860
make because the phone one of the things

2395
01:35:56,460 --> 01:35:55,180
that happened in Keith lenders face was

2396
01:35:58,500 --> 01:35:56,470
something felt the floor I think it was

2397
01:36:00,120 --> 01:35:58,510
a picture of jumped off a wall or done

2398
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:00,130
or done or something and I fell on the

2399
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:03,070
floor and clattered though but the odd

2400
01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:06,070
thing was that when I analyzed the zone

2401
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:07,540
the frequencies of this thing meters

2402
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:10,810
that fell it didn't conform the way she

2403
01:36:14,900 --> 01:36:13,210
discerned it like that the right they

2404
01:36:17,070 --> 01:36:14,910
tried dropping stuff in the floor and

2405
01:36:18,630 --> 01:36:17,080
recording and I'm looking at that you

2406
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,640
know that that actual wave patterns like

2407
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:21,520
generates an oscilloscope I'm they're

2408
01:36:24,810 --> 01:36:22,030
different

2409
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:24,820
the poltergeist moved stuff or stuff

2410
01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:26,530
that moves and falls under poltergeist

2411
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:29,140
effects does that the sounds are quite

2412
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:31,530
different it seems as though that

2413
01:36:38,340 --> 01:36:34,450
whoever making these sounds is creating

2414
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:38,350
them as analogs on one side of their

2415
01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:41,110
reality and projecting them that I will

2416
01:36:45,870 --> 01:36:42,940
say the reality as I'm analog of the

2417
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:45,880
sound and it's not the same device they

2418
01:36:49,770 --> 01:36:47,770
found that there's these zones that are

2419
01:36:51,930 --> 01:36:49,780
produced through paranormal phenomena

2420
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:51,940
are always different for

2421
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:54,130
they're equivalent produced endless you

2422
01:36:57,450 --> 01:36:56,110
know if you'll really produce it see you

2423
01:36:59,700 --> 01:36:57,460
were hitting her either of breaking a

2424
01:37:01,260 --> 01:36:59,710
milk ball or whether if that happened

2425
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:01,270
through a poltergeist effect and the

2426
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:03,130
same was recorded it would analyze

2427
01:37:06,630 --> 01:37:05,350
differently from from fy10 I'm gonna

2428
01:37:09,420 --> 01:37:06,640
hammer well it happened through

2429
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:09,430
poltergeist effect so it would appear

2430
01:37:15,180 --> 01:37:13,510
that was happening and our reality as an

2431
01:37:17,610 --> 01:37:15,190
analog of what's happening in their

2432
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:17,620
reality which is I know that sounds a

2433
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:19,210
bit about off the wall in created but

2434
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:20,890
it's the only explanation we can give

2435
01:37:25,610 --> 01:37:22,840
for it and we try and show this in the

2436
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:25,620
book for example another thing we did

2437
01:37:31,890 --> 01:37:29,250
was the 2/3 a quarter wrapped in tinfoil

2438
01:37:33,930 --> 01:37:31,900
ruler up the Titan 10 for prisoner and a

2439
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:33,940
sealed ziploc bag and immersed in water

2440
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:36,370
and put something on top an appeal of

2441
01:37:41,970 --> 01:37:39,970
water and it would appear that the

2442
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:41,980
stones that are being recorded on this

2443
01:37:46,050 --> 01:37:44,410
on this recorder I'm not coming through

2444
01:37:47,490 --> 01:37:46,060
the microphone they've been put directly

2445
01:37:49,890 --> 01:37:47,500
on the chips and say they're there and

2446
01:37:51,690 --> 01:37:49,900
say they're the actual unit itself as

2447
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,700
after being pushed

2448
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:53,920
you know recorded directly onto onto the

2449
01:37:59,160 --> 01:37:56,850
chips not through the microphone so we

2450
01:38:00,500 --> 01:37:59,170
don't know what's going on but all we

2451
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:00,510
know was there are distinct differences

2452
01:38:04,710 --> 01:38:02,890
and the physics of what's actually

2453
01:38:07,260 --> 01:38:04,720
happening compared there which should

2454
01:38:09,390 --> 01:38:07,270
happen that there's a completely new set

2455
01:38:11,190 --> 01:38:09,400
of rules involved here and we don't

2456
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,200
fully understand whether all that we

2457
01:38:15,890 --> 01:38:13,360
know is they are different and as

2458
01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:15,900
happening and and we can we can prove it

2459
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:17,830
through the different experiments that

2460
01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:20,290
that Steve's carried out but other than

2461
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:23,800
that the book itself details a lot of

2462
01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:25,330
the stuffs experiments that was carried

2463
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:28,540
out the stuff that Dona Steve dead both

2464
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:31,330
resistant at the Bothell incidentally

2465
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:33,610
the previous occupant in the house and

2466
01:38:37,950 --> 01:38:35,590
bottle that the Keefe London lives enter

2467
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:37,960
the lady and she was having a lot of

2468
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:39,250
stuff happening and I was happening to

2469
01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:42,100
her and eventually she stepped out in

2470
01:38:45,810 --> 01:38:44,710
front of a train literally a la Stewart

2471
01:38:48,510 --> 01:38:45,820
that you moved to move to another state

2472
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:48,520
but she was so upset that the sounds of

2473
01:38:51,300 --> 01:38:49,690
it but what happened to attend the

2474
01:38:53,190 --> 01:38:51,310
service they she actually killed herself

2475
01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:53,200
to snip but statements aid in front of

2476
01:38:57,390 --> 01:38:54,340
statement of a tree

2477
01:38:58,890 --> 01:38:57,400
commit suicide so something was

2478
01:39:01,140 --> 01:38:58,900
happening to her i'm keith was aware of

2479
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,150
it before I even get into the house but

2480
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:03,760
but but the sounds of things even the

2481
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:06,730
DNA at dawn and Steve arrived at the

2482
01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:08,950
house stuff will start to happen I mean

2483
01:39:12,630 --> 01:39:10,600
other thing that happened the key

2484
01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:12,640
cylinder was babbles would certainly

2485
01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:14,920
disappear that was I feel the Bible

2486
01:39:19,230 --> 01:39:16,840
would disappear and when they go to buy

2487
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:19,240
the bond as I've so many tried to set on

2488
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:19,840
fire

2489
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:22,090
there was objects getting them embedded

2490
01:39:26,610 --> 01:39:25,030
in the wall like things get huddled at

2491
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:26,620
the wall just sticking in the wall there

2492
01:39:30,900 --> 01:39:27,730
were pictures that there were there was

2493
01:39:33,180 --> 01:39:30,910
there was drawings appearing and and

2494
01:39:34,980 --> 01:39:33,190
release it and I've got them in the book

2495
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:34,990
there was joint appeared and they seem

2496
01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:36,490
to been stenciled on the wall for

2497
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:39,430
whatever better one and samples were

2498
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:42,280
actually taken of these over whatever

2499
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:45,910
made that made the em made the marks and

2500
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:47,530
they were analyzed and it just didn't

2501
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:50,110
conform to either foot you would expect

2502
01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:51,730
there wasn't paint it certainly wasn't

2503
01:39:55,470 --> 01:39:53,590
paint they're not actually sure what is

2504
01:39:56,910 --> 01:39:55,480
that made the marks or however much were

2505
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,920
actually made but I've got photographs

2506
01:40:01,160 --> 01:39:58,960
of them in the book but but the whole

2507
01:40:03,540 --> 01:40:01,170
thing that was happened to Keith Linda

2508
01:40:05,190 --> 01:40:03,550
it kind of in dismiss they can be

2509
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:05,200
dismissed as just a hoax

2510
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:09,130
it was definitely real and yeah it's the

2511
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:11,440
book describes that but but it looks a

2512
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:13,540
whole other bunch of areas of paranormal

2513
01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:17,770
phenomena yeah excellent the part of

2514
01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:19,750
this one of the experiments that you're

2515
01:40:24,230 --> 01:40:22,540
actually doing is the school experiment

2516
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:24,240
which is if I remember it correctly

2517
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:27,450
isn't that something to do with a

2518
01:40:32,490 --> 01:40:29,530
scientific examination of the

2519
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:32,500
possibility of life okay well so does

2520
01:40:36,780 --> 01:40:33,760
that get involved them what is it you're

2521
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,790
actually what happened in school this is

2522
01:40:40,410 --> 01:40:38,320
back in the nineteen nineties that of

2523
01:40:42,750 --> 01:40:40,420
every call really a police called death

2524
01:40:47,850 --> 01:40:42,760
in Norfolk at the Villa village of

2525
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:47,860
school which is an awful the group that

2526
01:40:52,410 --> 01:40:50,490
the set themselves up directly

2527
01:40:54,690 --> 01:40:52,420
investigate this and in point of fact

2528
01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:54,700
Nick kale who a mission I mentioned

2529
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:56,110
outlet he's trying to recreate the

2530
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:56,800
experiment

2531
01:41:00,600 --> 01:40:58,570
no it's certainly a group for people

2532
01:41:02,190 --> 01:41:00,610
together to actually carry this out here

2533
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:02,200
and try and do the same thing again but

2534
01:41:07,140 --> 01:41:05,260
the the the people in school they had

2535
01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:07,150
set up what you feel like a spirit team

2536
01:41:10,620 --> 01:41:08,830
that were helping them and I use the

2537
01:41:12,690 --> 01:41:10,630
terms but it seemed oddly

2538
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,700
but these were looking for people or

2539
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:15,280
spirits for one of a better one who are

2540
01:41:18,510 --> 01:41:16,930
trying to help them did

2541
01:41:20,430 --> 01:41:18,520
actually demonstrate there was life

2542
01:41:24,090 --> 01:41:20,440
another say they carry do a seed of

2543
01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:24,100
experiments and some of them involved if

2544
01:41:30,690 --> 01:41:27,220
you like rules a 35-millimeter film em

2545
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:30,700
Sade boxes that were sealed up and when

2546
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:32,290
they developed some of these rolls of

2547
01:41:36,570 --> 01:41:34,350
film they found there was images on them

2548
01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:36,580
though there was like planets there was

2549
01:41:40,980 --> 01:41:38,470
like geometric shapes and all sorts of

2550
01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:40,990
stuff on them but one in particular and

2551
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:43,150
this this again it's what really picked

2552
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:45,550
me ears up and the difference between or

2553
01:41:49,950 --> 01:41:47,110
the similarities between you followed in

2554
01:41:52,710 --> 01:41:49,960
the paranormal as that one of the

2555
01:41:54,330 --> 01:41:52,720
entities on it they called blue because

2556
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:54,340
there's like a washer blue color over

2557
01:41:59,370 --> 01:41:57,730
the image but blue is actually I agree I

2558
01:42:01,380 --> 01:41:59,380
agree alien is good the big eyes the

2559
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,390
femme face the bald head and all the

2560
01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:03,280
rest of it and you see this face looking

2561
01:42:07,110 --> 01:42:05,230
at you there's a they called the blue

2562
01:42:10,380 --> 01:42:07,120
purely because it's got blue was her

2563
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:10,390
blue color or shorter the blue is a gray

2564
01:42:14,220 --> 01:42:12,610
alien and apparently according to

2565
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:14,230
information ever getting from the spirit

2566
01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:19,690
team that we live in one band of our

2567
01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:21,490
reality and it's not the only one that

2568
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:23,320
are several that run in parallel with

2569
01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:26,590
ours and these entities lives there

2570
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:28,390
sometimes they can interact with us

2571
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:30,910
something we can interact with them but

2572
01:42:34,890 --> 01:42:32,710
they have problems of their own because

2573
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:34,900
the entities that live if you like an

2574
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:37,210
band a reality alongside theirs they

2575
01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:39,730
interfere with them as well and some of

2576
01:42:45,780 --> 01:42:42,790
the the entities that live on their side

2577
01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:45,790
if you like and the bands alongside them

2578
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:48,760
they are human beings there he is with a

2579
01:42:53,970 --> 01:42:51,520
passion and they hate the haters because

2580
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:53,980
we have emotions within fuel things and

2581
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:55,840
we experience things in the physical

2582
01:43:00,380 --> 01:42:57,970
they can't and the haters for it and

2583
01:43:02,220 --> 01:43:00,390
they they can mess with us they will and

2584
01:43:04,020 --> 01:43:02,230
there's a little is a bit and I think

2585
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:04,030
some of them probably do and I can give

2586
01:43:06,900 --> 01:43:05,710
you I think we work so a couple of

2587
01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:06,910
minutes I'm going to give you a

2588
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:09,880
first-hand example of this okay and I'd

2589
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:11,890
been writing a book it was

2590
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,090
I'm just trying I mean which one I

2591
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:15,040
actually was I think it was actually the

2592
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:18,400
Dark Messiah magic gnosis and religion

2593
01:43:21,570 --> 01:43:21,040
and had been doing a piece on the black

2594
01:43:24,930 --> 01:43:21,580
mass

2595
01:43:26,970 --> 01:43:24,940
night and I spent a week research thing

2596
01:43:29,790 --> 01:43:26,980
right now and I just finished the chap

2597
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:29,800
that I just said the fatal . quick when

2598
01:43:34,170 --> 01:43:31,090
all of a sudden

2599
01:43:35,970 --> 01:43:34,180
I went called from the inside out and I

2600
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:35,980
mean and a split second and just stone

2601
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:38,400
cold I went oh I know don't tell me

2602
01:43:42,450 --> 01:43:40,570
anyway I started feeling looking and it

2603
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:42,460
was fine I did when I Wesley well hope

2604
01:43:48,270 --> 01:43:46,210
is gonna be okay well I think Michi I

2605
01:43:50,130 --> 01:43:48,280
think it was who said battle not with

2606
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:50,140
monsters lest you become a monster and

2607
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:51,850
if you gaze into the abyss the abyss

2608
01:43:56,910 --> 01:43:54,970
gazes also into you now think I gazed

2609
01:43:58,890 --> 01:43:56,920
into their best and something saw me and

2610
01:44:00,750 --> 01:43:58,900
I let it be known to see me because that

2611
01:44:03,540 --> 01:44:00,760
mate the waif and I went to bed as

2612
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:03,550
normal 2 o'clock in the morning but woke

2613
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:06,010
up both of us and we could hear the

2614
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:07,690
scratching coming from the floors going

2615
01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:10,210
on the ceiling coming from the walls the

2616
01:44:13,860 --> 01:44:11,950
room above us which is there's a spirit

2617
01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:13,870
of know of one of the kids bedrooms at

2618
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:15,820
once a the room above us took that

2619
01:44:17,940 --> 01:44:16,810
here's something getting knocked about

2620
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:17,950
there was something moving a bit mid

2621
01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:19,840
room and we'll both terrified it's a

2622
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:21,670
first time of Iceland all my wife's I've

2623
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:23,110
been petrified terrified to move

2624
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:25,330
petrified with fear I know exactly where

2625
01:44:30,180 --> 01:44:28,120
means no because I happened to me and we

2626
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:30,190
couldn't move and we couldn't sleep so

2627
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:31,810
we just had to wait until I stopped and

2628
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,610
I stopped and eventually but half after

2629
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:35,920
half an hour all stop nothing went back

2630
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:38,650
to being calm again so the following day

2631
01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:40,090
of my wife went the work that didn't a

2632
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:41,350
little bit of the time of entering the

2633
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,510
house that cleansed it i cleansed every

2634
01:44:47,130 --> 01:44:45,520
room in the house and thank god the

2635
01:44:49,170 --> 01:44:47,140
things that happened like that again

2636
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:49,180
it's happened previously when I was out

2637
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:51,040
in cases I was brought something home

2638
01:44:56,730 --> 01:44:53,710
with me that I think I rid of and I did

2639
01:44:57,630 --> 01:44:56,740
so my house had been cleansed twice once

2640
01:44:59,340 --> 01:44:57,640
through my own fault

2641
01:45:01,920 --> 01:44:59,350
and the second thing because I've been

2642
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:01,930
I've been concentrating too much on one

2643
01:45:06,630 --> 01:45:04,210
aspect of extremely negative aspect or

2644
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:06,640
black magic if you will so these things

2645
01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:08,560
can and do interact with the and they

2646
01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:11,190
will interact with you

2647
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:14,020
that's fascinating absolutely

2648
01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:16,930
fascinating now we've got roughly 10

2649
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:19,390
minutes left so what I wanted to do

2650
01:45:25,950 --> 01:45:20,770
Brian I don't know if you've got any

2651
01:45:28,010 --> 01:45:25,960
more questions but when Brian was

2652
01:45:31,290 --> 01:45:28,020
talking about the the poltergeist things

2653
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:31,300
not doing what they should you know

2654
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:35,650
should expect in our in our physics can

2655
01:45:42,060 --> 01:45:40,090
it reminded me a little bit of what dr.

2656
01:45:42,780 --> 01:45:42,070
Eddie bulla did in his study on alien

2657
01:45:44,430 --> 01:45:42,790
abductions

2658
01:45:47,010 --> 01:45:44,440
mhm and one of the things

2659
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:47,020
there he kick named it what Wally I

2660
01:45:52,610 --> 01:45:48,489
don't know if you wear Brian what he did

2661
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:52,620
this is like a statistical breakdown of

2662
01:45:58,800 --> 01:45:55,860
the way an alien abduction takes place

2663
01:46:01,680 --> 01:45:58,810
forget the narrative within it but it

2664
01:46:03,450 --> 01:46:01,690
goes through a certain form and it

2665
01:46:05,490 --> 01:46:03,460
always does that for and it doesn't

2666
01:46:07,050 --> 01:46:05,500
always have the same denominations in it

2667
01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:07,060
but what are the things it didn't have

2668
01:46:11,490 --> 01:46:09,940
and and it just reminded me what you

2669
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:11,500
were talking about there and he called

2670
01:46:17,250 --> 01:46:14,890
it doorway amnesia hmm and he said all

2671
01:46:20,610 --> 01:46:17,260
the abductees said yeah I went up and

2672
01:46:22,380 --> 01:46:20,620
then I'm inside the craft but don't they

2673
01:46:24,750 --> 01:46:22,390
have no recollection no actually going

2674
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:24,760
through the door sure sure you know and

2675
01:46:28,380 --> 01:46:26,530
it just reminded me exactly what you

2676
01:46:30,510 --> 01:46:28,390
were talking about there quantum

2677
01:46:36,570 --> 01:46:30,520
entanglement I will not forget that

2678
01:46:38,459 --> 01:46:36,580
phrase yeah I don't know I'm not saying

2679
01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:38,469
there's a connection it just it just

2680
01:46:43,470 --> 01:46:40,750
seemed to me at home as soon as you

2681
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:43,480
start talking about it well strangely

2682
01:46:48,570 --> 01:46:45,790
enough Phil there's an aspect of this

2683
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:48,580
which which were also know that there's

2684
01:46:53,939 --> 01:46:50,770
a phenomenon a paranormal phenomenon

2685
01:46:56,610 --> 01:46:53,949
which is called Ana port okay yes

2686
01:46:59,520 --> 01:46:56,620
objects spontaneously appear in a room

2687
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,530
and that always warm to the touch always

2688
01:47:05,820 --> 01:47:01,920
never called always warm to the touch

2689
01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:05,830
this is because we think that they enter

2690
01:47:09,930 --> 01:47:07,300
the room they've got to pass through

2691
01:47:12,030 --> 01:47:09,940
solid walls the ceilings whatever okay

2692
01:47:14,810 --> 01:47:12,040
so we think they're actually stripped

2693
01:47:16,590 --> 01:47:14,820
down to the fundamental particles

2694
01:47:18,510 --> 01:47:16,600
transported through through the solid

2695
01:47:20,250 --> 01:47:18,520
object and reassembled again and this

2696
01:47:22,740 --> 01:47:20,260
produces heat which is why they're warm

2697
01:47:23,939 --> 01:47:22,750
to the touch I just wonder if something

2698
01:47:25,979 --> 01:47:23,949
similar has been happening for your

2699
01:47:30,150 --> 01:47:25,989
abductees I don't know me I don't know

2700
01:47:33,180 --> 01:47:30,160
but but a few weeks back Chris and I had

2701
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:33,190
Paul Sinclair as our guest and Paul was

2702
01:47:39,530 --> 01:47:36,400
telling us about a UFO case that it was

2703
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:39,540
investigating but it also involved

2704
01:47:43,709 --> 01:47:42,310
poltergeist activity sure I'm sure you

2705
01:47:46,620 --> 01:47:43,719
know what I'm talking about here Chris

2706
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:46,630
and again Paul will be talking about

2707
01:47:54,450 --> 01:47:48,850
this yeah basically a couple lads worked

2708
01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:54,460
in this large industrial you and I think

2709
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:56,020
there were spray painted and things like

2710
01:48:00,689 --> 01:47:57,610
that of large you know bosses

2711
01:48:04,830 --> 01:48:00,699
and and all this kind of stuff and you

2712
01:48:07,740 --> 01:48:04,840
know money coins would just you know be

2713
01:48:09,390 --> 01:48:07,750
thrown out them but like you said they

2714
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:09,400
never actually saw them take off

2715
01:48:13,859 --> 01:48:11,650
I think nuts and bolts came flying as

2716
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,869
well and peaches I think the the

2717
01:48:18,450 --> 01:48:16,239
calendar they had a girlie calendar on

2718
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,460
the wall and they change it but every

2719
01:48:22,530 --> 01:48:19,840
time they went to look at it we'd always

2720
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:22,540
been put back to the whatever this

2721
01:48:26,340 --> 01:48:24,310
particular if it was January but there

2722
01:48:29,820 --> 01:48:26,350
yeah the spokes must have like Miss

2723
01:48:31,260 --> 01:48:29,830
January you know I you know again they

2724
01:48:33,959 --> 01:48:31,270
never actually saw any of this stuff

2725
01:48:36,660 --> 01:48:33,969
take off it always came and landed and I

2726
01:48:39,780 --> 01:48:36,670
you know I find that fascinating I

2727
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:39,790
really do well also just well you

2728
01:48:44,399 --> 01:48:42,010
mentioned that Phil and Brian was

2729
01:48:48,090 --> 01:48:44,409
talking earlier on about air location

2730
01:48:50,340 --> 01:48:48,100
now this is up near the Flamborough Head

2731
01:48:52,620 --> 01:48:50,350
location where we have root stone

2732
01:48:54,990 --> 01:48:52,630
monolith which is again an ancient

2733
01:48:57,419 --> 01:48:55,000
monument the probably the tallest in the

2734
01:48:59,129 --> 01:48:57,429
country and where there are also a

2735
01:49:01,470 --> 01:48:59,139
burial mounds from that area as well

2736
01:49:04,620 --> 01:49:01,480
which polish talks was about before and

2737
01:49:07,740 --> 01:49:04,630
again it's all in an area of unusual

2738
01:49:10,919 --> 01:49:07,750
activity so that connects to that exact

2739
01:49:12,689 --> 01:49:10,929
interesting to see if the area is if

2740
01:49:15,390 --> 01:49:12,699
there's you know a better geomagnetism

2741
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:15,400
whatever it's on the edge or part of a

2742
01:49:20,820 --> 01:49:18,090
geomagnetic area be curious to find out

2743
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:20,830
now just as no now you've mentioned that

2744
01:49:24,660 --> 01:49:22,570
it does remind me when speaking

2745
01:49:27,419 --> 01:49:24,670
privately with Paul and I'm sure he what

2746
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:27,429
man me you know mentioning this there is

2747
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,060
allegedly an area in the North Sea

2748
01:49:35,419 --> 01:49:32,800
approximately ten to fifteen miles off

2749
01:49:38,820 --> 01:49:35,429
the from bruh head where you do get M

2750
01:49:41,459 --> 01:49:38,830
magnetic anomalies electronica Shirley's

2751
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:41,469
well we're certainly par for the course

2752
01:49:45,959 --> 01:49:44,110
I mean the more the more refined the

2753
01:49:48,330 --> 01:49:45,969
more we'll look at this subject the more

2754
01:49:50,250 --> 01:49:48,340
similarities refrained that there are

2755
01:49:51,810 --> 01:49:50,260
earth energies involved in this there

2756
01:49:53,879 --> 01:49:51,820
are subtle energies involved in it and

2757
01:49:56,370 --> 01:49:53,889
somehow whatever these things are

2758
01:49:59,729 --> 01:49:56,380
they're able to exploit them for their

2759
01:50:03,390 --> 01:49:59,739
own ends how they do it again as a total

2760
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:03,400
mystery but but exploit them they do and

2761
01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:05,290
the du Quai successfully because they

2762
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,590
keep they keep well the UFO is I don't

2763
01:50:11,190 --> 01:50:10,480
think but the Bathgate Hills upper care

2764
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:11,200
and purple

2765
01:50:15,150 --> 01:50:12,850
I don't think there's so much you for

2766
01:50:16,890 --> 01:50:15,160
logical stuff happens here but they'll

2767
01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:16,900
set my sightings of this this gray

2768
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:20,260
silver whatever is as seen on a regular

2769
01:50:24,900 --> 01:50:22,570
basis but those other bits of I feel

2770
01:50:29,550 --> 01:50:24,910
like ghostly activity happen up there as

2771
01:50:31,470 --> 01:50:29,560
well that's fascinating stuff so Brian

2772
01:50:33,210 --> 01:50:31,480
are you planning any more books so you

2773
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:33,220
know yeah you a attending any

2774
01:50:37,410 --> 01:50:35,050
conferences are going to be speaking at

2775
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:37,420
any conference I haven't not this year I

2776
01:50:42,570 --> 01:50:39,930
said put it on the black bomber because

2777
01:50:44,820 --> 01:50:42,580
my memory is not-- for that war is and I

2778
01:50:47,220 --> 01:50:44,830
can't give a presentation no just or off

2779
01:50:49,380 --> 01:50:47,230
cuff I've got to do off scripts and I'm

2780
01:50:50,700 --> 01:50:49,390
still pretty pretty rigid later but I'm

2781
01:51:01,020 --> 01:50:50,710
not doing it this year but I'm always

2782
01:51:10,830 --> 01:51:01,030
open to offers okay what are you and I

2783
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:10,840
mean how does anybody find you know the

2784
01:51:17,250 --> 01:51:14,710
magazine and books you know well yeah

2785
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:17,260
that's what I was going to ask so cool

2786
01:51:21,540 --> 01:51:19,210
as far as as far as the magazine goes

2787
01:51:25,470 --> 01:51:21,550
it's phenomenal magazine all one what

2788
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:25,480
phenomena magazine doc good at UK if you

2789
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:27,520
go online phenomenon magazine doctor at

2790
01:51:32,690 --> 01:51:28,840
UK I'll take you straight to the website

2791
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:32,700
the magazine is free so you can download

2792
01:51:37,290 --> 01:51:35,530
it's been on the go for a couple years

2793
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,300
before I get involved with it you can go

2794
01:51:42,420 --> 01:51:39,360
bike for like six five six seven years

2795
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:42,430
eight years and download as many of the

2796
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:44,320
back issues as you want but all free and

2797
01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:46,480
it's the leader we don't we look for no

2798
01:51:51,090 --> 01:51:49,000
man a magazine doc good at UK if you

2799
01:51:52,590 --> 01:51:51,100
wanted my books well I mean I can't

2800
01:51:56,910 --> 01:51:52,600
remember all that have several

2801
01:51:59,040 --> 01:51:56,920
publishers but I think wait through

2802
01:52:01,320 --> 01:51:59,050
books are published in the last two and

2803
01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:01,330
CAF said publishing have also you know

2804
01:52:05,820 --> 01:52:04,180
Dutch Jon downs he's published a couple

2805
01:52:07,860 --> 01:52:05,830
of books as well also if you're going to

2806
01:52:09,630 --> 01:52:07,870
see if said publishing or white crow

2807
01:52:13,340 --> 01:52:09,640
books you'll get quite a few more books

2808
01:52:16,740 --> 01:52:13,350
here as well femm is interested

2809
01:52:18,900 --> 01:52:16,750
okay well sure people will be interested

2810
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,910
and will want to go across and have a

2811
01:52:23,700 --> 01:52:21,040
look at those when does the next issue a

2812
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:23,710
phenomenon I then the last word the

2813
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:25,119
newest issue just came out

2814
01:52:29,220 --> 01:52:27,760
I guess just dog a week ago and what

2815
01:52:30,899 --> 01:52:29,230
there's actually got a picture of

2816
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,909
Stanton Friedman in the front and more

2817
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:32,560
in yell yeah thank you so that would go

2818
01:52:37,290 --> 01:52:35,770
on yeah well all in magazine has got the

2819
01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:37,300
standing on the fulfilled well that came

2820
01:52:42,839 --> 01:52:40,510
out well the next one although towards

2821
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:42,849
the end of this month and you know like

2822
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:45,130
I see a family if every once again

2823
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:49,330
contact of its bgl and a BG l in a real

2824
01:52:57,540 --> 01:52:53,770
calm or parrot x7 that's P P a ret

2825
01:52:59,520 --> 01:52:57,550
easier number seven at aol.com if they

2826
01:53:00,540 --> 01:52:59,530
just give a give me a show it dropped me

2827
01:53:02,399 --> 01:53:00,550
away and operate than when the mailing

2828
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:02,409
list not me job be kept kept updated

2829
01:53:06,899 --> 01:53:04,560
from that whenever issues do come out

2830
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:06,909
and I could say folks I have actually

2831
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:08,770
been on that mailing list cell for quite

2832
01:53:13,620 --> 01:53:11,650
a number of years and is always a very

2833
01:53:15,180 --> 01:53:13,630
interest and I can confirm I'm on the

2834
01:53:17,939 --> 01:53:15,190
mailing list and no matter how much I

2835
01:53:25,379 --> 01:53:17,949
pay pay this young man he will not check

2836
01:53:29,070 --> 01:53:25,389
me off it can you give us any sneak

2837
01:53:30,510 --> 01:53:29,080
previews of the next issue well we're

2838
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:30,520
still working on and find a fight to

2839
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:32,110
just split up and drop box and send it

2840
01:53:36,180 --> 01:53:34,510
to the designer and do you know what I'm

2841
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:36,190
not lying I can't even remember what's

2842
01:53:40,530 --> 01:53:39,280
in it because I'm working on this I'm

2843
01:53:42,510 --> 01:53:40,540
actually working on this the same

2844
01:53:44,910 --> 01:53:42,520
position but it that way I mean I worked

2845
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:44,920
like six months ahead and and just

2846
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,110
update stuff as I get FL just that would

2847
01:53:50,729 --> 01:53:48,880
just swap stuff alone but I couldn't

2848
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,739
actually tell you off I'm just a silly

2849
01:53:54,839 --> 01:53:52,239
what's in the next issue because I can't

2850
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:54,849
remember they don't watch me okay well I

2851
01:54:00,000 --> 01:53:57,280
tend to work on each issue of about

2852
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:00,010
limits magazine I mean basically I don't

2853
01:54:04,260 --> 01:54:02,170
get that far ahead you know it's good I

2854
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:04,270
mean obviously things can oh yeah you

2855
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:05,770
know you know like the unfortunate

2856
01:54:09,689 --> 01:54:08,080
passing mountain you know so I had to

2857
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:09,699
change a couple of articles all the

2858
01:54:14,129 --> 01:54:12,010
magazine as I'm sure you know with

2859
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:14,139
phenomena and put something else in

2860
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:18,610
about an immemorial and I'm in the Mori

2861
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:21,250
and in memoriam piece about Stan just a

2862
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:21,730
few words

2863
01:54:28,140 --> 01:54:23,920
yeah but just to recognize the immense

2864
01:54:31,020 --> 01:54:28,150
contribution that the guys made to yeah

2865
01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:31,030
yeah yeah it was a great believer of the

2866
01:54:34,919 --> 01:54:33,190
et it wasn't it uh what went there again

2867
01:54:38,430 --> 01:54:34,929
we could have good lots of arguments and

2868
01:54:39,860 --> 01:54:38,440
I think yeah well that might be another

2869
01:54:42,630 --> 01:54:39,870
shirt

2870
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:42,640
eh if somebody could prove them it was

2871
01:54:46,380 --> 01:54:44,530
right it's just that this is involved

2872
01:54:48,540 --> 01:54:46,390
and I know we're running at a time now

2873
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:48,550
whether the distances involved would

2874
01:54:52,620 --> 01:54:51,250
have to involve time travel to some some

2875
01:54:54,180 --> 01:54:52,630
degree because this year distances

2876
01:54:56,460 --> 01:54:54,190
involved and the speeds involved in

2877
01:54:58,590 --> 01:54:56,470
doing it so which is why I tend I think

2878
01:55:00,330 --> 01:54:58,600
the ETH is maybe not as valid as we're

2879
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:00,340
thinking I think it wasn't a dimensional

2880
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:04,900
thing yeah of course there's always you

2881
01:55:08,820 --> 01:55:06,850
know the wall thing as well you know

2882
01:55:11,580 --> 01:55:08,830
because I could do that properly yeah

2883
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:11,590
somebody has suggested at some point so

2884
01:55:17,190 --> 01:55:14,050
is this is why this is a fascinating

2885
01:55:18,780 --> 01:55:17,200
subject and this is why on inside out

2886
01:55:21,420 --> 01:55:18,790
will limit smokers air the radio show

2887
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:21,430
you know we actually do invite as many

2888
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:23,650
different people on to talk about the

2889
01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:26,050
many different aspects you know and I

2890
01:55:30,090 --> 01:55:28,180
think I can personally say I've really

2891
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:30,100
really enjoyed Odie's Lake place yeah

2892
01:55:37,710 --> 01:55:32,110
this evening I don't know about filming

2893
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:37,720
a view I always enjoy listening to Brian

2894
01:55:43,229 --> 01:55:41,440
you know we do disagree politely on

2895
01:55:46,710 --> 01:55:43,239
certain things but like I said even

2896
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:46,720
though you may disagree like like like

2897
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:48,400
the guy from Birmingham Dave Audrey and

2898
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:50,650
said you know absolutely fascinating you

2899
01:55:55,530 --> 01:55:53,170
will always learn something by by

2900
01:55:59,880 --> 01:55:55,540
listening to Brian be in a presentation

2901
01:56:02,100 --> 01:55:59,890
like this online or in person and you

2902
01:56:03,570 --> 01:56:02,110
know I'm I'm glad to say I've known him

2903
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:03,580
for a number of years now on a hook

2904
01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:05,590
hopefully as many more years ahead Brian

2905
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:07,510
I think he's and hopefully one of these

2906
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:09,040
days you actually bury that paint your

2907
01:56:14,180 --> 01:56:11,290
eyes you know you know he's been on

2908
01:56:17,010 --> 01:56:14,190
about this paint with two straws that

2909
01:56:19,740 --> 01:56:17,020
allegedly I I agreed to buy him and his

2910
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,750
wife some some years ago I mean you know

2911
01:56:24,660 --> 01:56:22,000
it's it's an allegation I'm never gonna

2912
01:56:26,190 --> 01:56:24,670
have asked it from I don't think no well

2913
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:26,200
don't forget you owe you a Malcolm

2914
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:29,920
Robinson upon as well I don't know he

2915
01:56:36,270 --> 01:56:34,210
keeps telling me you know I think he's

2916
01:56:40,340 --> 01:56:36,280
dreaming I really do Brian's got more

2917
01:56:47,490 --> 01:56:42,390
thought I thought he was gonna say

2918
01:56:50,140 --> 01:56:47,500
Brian's got two hopes of game Chung's is

2919
01:56:52,770 --> 01:56:50,150
no chance on a dog

2920
01:56:56,750 --> 01:56:52,780
[Laughter]

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well Brian author

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investigator editor and I don't know I

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don't know what else to say that I just

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want to say thank you very much for

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joining us this evening on their inside

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out Limits radio show and I wish you

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more power to your elbow as I'm sure

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absolutely

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look yeah and you know perhaps we'll get

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you one again at some point in the

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future

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Chris Phil thank you very much for

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having me however having me and I had me

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on the show it's been an absolute

2935
01:57:32,459 --> 01:57:31,050
pleasure totally enjoyed it thank you

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take care

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